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Ashii

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wot do u think abt women status in our society ??
im not asking abt wot is said in books,,, or wot our status is supposed to b according to Quran,,,

only the reality,, hamari society mei aurat ka status aur uss ki kya izzat hai ??

AURAT means,,, woman
na maa,,, na behen,,, only a woman


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Posted 06 Dec 2004

hakona says
as i feel
as hamaray society kay 3 tabkay hain

1)uppar class
2)middle class
3)lower class

uppar ore lower class waloon mein aurat ki koi respect nahi
uppar class walay usay apni business ki success kay leye estamaal kartay hain.
aik namaesh ki cheez

lower class walay usay sirf bachay paeda karnay ki cheez samajtay hain
auraat ko marna peetna aam hai
uss ki kisi baat ko ghoor sei nahi suna jata woe tu nakass akaal hoti hai
shaadi beah mein bejoor rishtay karvatay hain



middle class ye aesa tabka hai jaha thori bohot aurtat ki ezaat hoti hai.


aab aesa kue hai ..ye jananay kay leye hum dekhtay hain
uppar ore lower class ki aurtoon mein aik tu apni namesh karti hai jis ki waja sei uss ki ezaat nahi hoti
ore dosri apna dehan he nahi rukhti ess leye uss ki ezat nahi hoti

middle class ki aurat na apni namesh karti hai ore apna dehan be rukhti hai.respect karti hai essi leye usay respect milti hai
Posted 06 Dec 2004

Ashii says
thnx for ur post

but aik baat pe ikhtelaaf
hmm,,, i personaly dont agree abt ur middle class opinion
mera khyal se sab se bure log middle class wale hote hein.. it can b proved vvv easily,,, hamare mulk mei mejority log middle class se taluk rakhte hein,,, aur kissi bhi jaga ki society aur taur tareeke majority hi banati hai,,, aik nazar daliye apne mulk pe sab samajh aa jae gi

khair yeh aik alag masla hai...
back to women,,,
aurat ki izzat ka uss ki numaish se kya taluk ??
yeh baat durust k numaish galt cheez hai,, but mere nazdeek acha aur izzat daar shaks to wohi hota hai na jo harr aik ki izzat karna janta ho
jiss shaks ki aankh mei sharam hoti hai,, usse iss se kya matlab k samne khari aurat ne kya pehna hai, ya kitna make up kiya hai ??

and btw,,, aurat numaish kiss liye karti hai,,, just to have some attention,,, jo usse saari umer kissi se nahi milti wo obvisouly she chose a 'wrong' way
seedhi si baat hai,,, larke ka rishte jab dhoonda jata hai to apne bete mei chahe 280 aieb hon,, par amma jii bahu chaand ka tukra hi dhoondti hein,,
to phir numaish kyun na ho ???

and iss baat se koi inkaar nahi kar sakta k hamari poori society mei jo chez harr class mei common hai woh hai numaisha,, sirf aurat ki nahi,,, harrr aik cheez ki,, daulat ki, khoobsurti ki, apni taleem ki, apne khandan k unche hone ki
one to alll tamaam log jhoooti chamak pe marte hein,,


hadees mei kaha gaya hai k,,, kissi kaum ka zawal uss k bachon aur aurat se start hota hai
par jiss society mei aurat ki koi izzat na ho,, uss society ki aurat se aap kya expect karte hein ???
Posted 06 Dec 2004

Sorry sall, but I guess there are several questions I have before I could give my view on your query.

Which society you are referring to?
How do you define respect?
When you are trying to measure it, what are you comparing it with? what is the standard?

In general, their respect is as much as they have earned, plus/minus societal/cultural standards/influences/values plus/minus individual personality & character traits.


Posted 06 Dec 2004

Ashii says
hmmm,,
let s say our paki society
(without any comparasion to other countries)
Respect.... something u want to see in others eyes for ur own sister, mother and daughter
Status.. wot are her rights


""their respect is as much as they have earned""
that s wot allllllllllll pakis say,, but wot does it mean

kya kissi buri aurat ko buri nazar se dekhna sawab hai ??
Posted 06 Dec 2004

SALL said:

hmmm,,
let s say our paki society
(without any comparasion to other countries)



I don't liv in Pak, so I don't know much. However, my knowledge of it - double standards. Woman - a multiuse object. An object whose feelings mean little and sacrificed often for so called dignity of man.

SALL said:


Respect.... something u want to see in others eyes for ur own sister, mother and daughter
Status.. wot are her rights



In a society where sacrilege of others dignity taken for fun while of own held in high esteem - dignity of women of others are of lesser value. We forgot a very fundamental principle that our prophet taught us, "A believer is one who loves for fellow believer what he/she loves for self" meaning, otherwise claimant is not a real believer. In a society where such values are only held by a thread, only desires matter most. that time is not far when people wouldn't care for the rights of women in their own household.

SALL said:


""their respect is as much as they have earned""
that s wot allllllllllll pakis say,, but wot does it mean

kya kissi buri aurat ko buri nazar se dekhna sawab hai ??


ignored other parts of the equation!
Respect is earned. One, who by virtue of their habits and character earns disrespect doesn't deserve equal status of one who earns it. This doesn't mean one must cast a filthy eye on her or usurp her other rights. Its not only woth women, it also applies to men of poor character.
Posted 06 Dec 2004

Ashii says
hmmm...
as usual that wot i was expecting SD :)

i wonder others have nothing to say abt suchhh a serious pb,,, as usual



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Posted 07 Dec 2004

dost19 says
men in our society think woman is a shoe in their feet
as u see in iraq...aurtoon ko kuch bhi nahin samjha jata...
i remember watching this program in cable talking about how woman is treated in iraq....the woman who was giving the speech said that...once she went to iraq or ek aurat wahan shopping ker rahi thi...uss ne bhurkha pehne huva tha...or jaab uss ne thora sa bhurka utha diya take woh dekh saake ke woh sabzi wagera sahii de raha hai ya nahin...toh wahan jo police officer khara tha...he started beatimg her up with his belt....

Posted 07 Dec 2004

SALL said:

hmmm...
as usual that wot i was expecting SD :)

i wonder others have nothing to say abt suchhh a serious pb,,, as usual



kyaaa hogaaa,, kyaaaaa hoga
kyaaa hoggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
errrghhhhhhhhhh....



jo hona hai wohi hoga
Posted 07 Dec 2004

Aurat mean women....
Posted 07 Dec 2004

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