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QUEEN VICTORIA

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New york main Ameena khatoon nay Namaz e Juma ki Imamat karwai.........
is k baray main aap kya kahtay hain?????
Posted 21 Mar 2005

guest. says
orat Imamat karwa sakti hai kia
Posted 21 Mar 2005

No idea
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Ashii says
yeh to muskil question ho gaya queenu
humein iss baare mei bilkul nahi pata
Posted 21 Mar 2005

According to Islamic Leaders

women cannot be an Imam

coz

women are required to offer prayer in their house and even more better if they offer in a room.

and if required she can be imam of women only but not daily only in rare occasions like for Jumma or Eid prayer

but in house.


Posted 21 Mar 2005

paki_fan says
yup..
heard of it in news
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Badal says
Someone wrote:

A few weeks ago, I received a rude shock when I found splashed on the front page of The Toronto Star news of the inauguration of the first ‘Progressive Mosque’ in Toronto. And yes, the ideas espoused by its founders include the concept of free mixing of the sexes, prayer without any segregation, permissibility of female imamat, homosexual and same sex marriage rights, a more ‘inclusive’ agenda and all the other tired arguments that we have grown accustomed to hearing from them. All this accompanied by a photo of men and women praying side by side.

lagta hai unhi ka asar ho gya hai
Posted 21 Mar 2005

friend_16 says
as far as i know kay aurat ki imamat ghalat hai ..

kyun kay aik point ye kay agar aurat imamat kara saktee tu phir hamain umaha-tul-momineen main ki life history say pata nahi chalta kay unhoon nay imamat kerwayee ..

Posted 21 Mar 2005

friend_16 says
waisay i don't get this .. kia faida ho ga us aurat ko imamat kerwa ker?? .. deen kay aur hazaroon kaam hein koi aur ker lein ...
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Badal says
Warning of Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam:

A female leader would either be contravening the rules and regulation of Hijâb or neglecting the welfare of her subjects. Thus Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam said: "A nation that has entrusted its affairs to a woman can never be successful."
(Bukhari vl.5, pg.136, Bukhari vl. 4 Page 97, Nisai vl. 8 Page 227, Tirmidhi vl. 5 Page 457)

Posted 21 Mar 2005

Badal says
Why Can She Not Lead the Men in Salâh?

1-   Nothing has been narrated regarding this from Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam or the Sahabah (RA) or the Tabi-een. Had it been permissible, it would have definitely been recorded in the books of Hadith and Fiqh. (Bidayatul Mujtahid vl.1,pg. 105 & As Saylul Jarrar vl.1, pg.250)

2-   On the contrary Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam had commanded the women to stand at the rear of the congregation (if they do attend the congregational salâh). The reason being that women are to be hidden and have been commanded to observe hijâb. If men have to follow a lady imâm in salâh, they would have to stand behind her. This is in total contrast with the rules of hijâb.(Bidayatul Mujtahid vl.1,pg. 105 & As Saylul Jarrar vl.1, pg.250)

3-   Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam said: ."... and a lady should not lead a man in salâh ...." (Sunan Ibn Majah vl.1,pg.250)

4-   The generality of the hadith "The nation that has entrusted it's affairs to a lady cannot be successful," demands that women do not qualify to be entrusted with any sort of leadership duties. Salâh is the most noble and important matter of the Muslims. Can we entrust it to a lady and hope for success? (As Saylul Jarrar - Allamah Shawkani vl.1,pg.250)
Posted 21 Mar 2005

friend_16 says
.. JazakAllah for this hadit..

i was about to send this as well..

par the thing is .. kay wo bhee kaafi points nikaal ker layee hein kay kyun aurat imamat kerwa saktee hai .. aik tu i think on ka point hai kay khana kaba main bhee tu mix imamat hoti hai ..   
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Badal says
itni clear Ahadith kay bawajoob bhi koi na manay tu kia kaha ja sakta hai, unhain apnay IMAAN ki khair manani chahiye
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Badal says
i dont think kay khana kaaba main koi female imammat karwati ho (specially male ki), aur agar aisa hota bhi hai tu yeh female ki imamat jaiz honay ki daleel nahi hai. proove karna hai tu quraan aur hadith say karain, aur in ahadith ko bhi galat sabit karain jo female ki immamat kay khilaf jati hain.
Posted 21 Mar 2005

friend_16 says
jinhoon nay nahi manna hota na wo hazroon arguments nikal laitay hein..

khana kaba main female nay imamat nahi kerwayee .. ye un ka mix gathering ka point hai..

aik baat unhoon nay ye bhee ki .. kay agar aurat ghar say bahir parhnay parhanay kay liay nikl saktee hai tu phir imamat kyun nahi ..

i dono aj muslims ko kia ho gia hai ..   
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Ashii says
yarr agar uss aurat ko yeh lagta k imamat karwa k woh koi gunah kar rahi hai to y wd she do that ??
she must have some reasons for that,,, she mite b misguided or pata nahi,,,,
i think pehle aurton ko unn k ja'iz islamic rights mil ja'ain,, imamat wagera ki baari to bohoooottt deir mei aae gi





Z
kafi drauni news hai,, homosexual mariages....
Allah maaf kare sab ko
european sects system ab muslims mei bhi chal para hai,, oo well it always existed in muslims par yeh to had hai,, coz atleast iss k baare mei to it s said vvv clearly in Quran pak
Posted 21 Mar 2005

phir tu us aurat ko gunaah milega
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Badal says
SALL said:

yarr agar uss aurat ko yeh lagta k imamat karwa k woh koi gunah kar rahi hai to y wd she do that ??
she must have some reasons for that,,, she mite b misguided or pata nahi,,,,



maybe wo sahi samjhtii ho gi jabhi kia us nay, laikin ghalat tu ghalat hai na, aur itni saaf saaf ahadith nazar nahi aati hain jis ko wo kuch bhi kar sakta hai, aur kuch logoon ko shok hota hai famous honay ka tu wo aisi harkatain kartay hain.
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Ashii says
hmmm,,
yeh bhi hai
par iss tarha to saaaf saaf quran pak mei bohot kuch likha hai but hum apne matlab k liye woh sab ignore ya change kar dete hein

khair,,, im not taking her side,,, i guess aurat ki imamat ja'iz nahi....

sirf aurton ki masjid hoti to alag baat thi,, hein na ??
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Badal says
SALL said:

sirf aurton ki masjid hoti to alag baat thi,, hein na ??



auraton ki masjid nahi auraton ki jama'at, purely female congregation.

It is said that the salat of a lady behind a lady imam is permissible but it is makrooh tahrimi.
Posted 21 Mar 2005

http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hF atwaID=89173
Posted 21 Mar 2005

MsaeedBarkat said:

According to Islamic Leaders

women cannot be an Imam

coz

women are required to offer prayer in their house and even more better if they offer in a room.

and if required she can be imam of women only but not daily only in rare occasions like for Jumma or Eid prayer

but in house.





lemme clear a point here.... women cant be an imam... as she is not allowed to do imamat of any namaz whether it be namaz-i-jummah or eid.... but yeah she is allowed to do so while standing in the SUF.... woh taraveeh parha sakti hain but suf main khari ho kay but only to women.... eid ki namaz bhi suf main khari ho kay she can read the verses.... jis tarhan mard imam suf say agay khara ho kay parhata hai waisay aurat ko ijazat nahin hai.... aurtain ghar main tarveeh parha sakti hain but suf main khari rah kay.... is cheez ko imamt nahin kahtay....is liyay a woman cant be an imam....
n jo hoa hai k aik aurat nay imamt ki hai woh galat hoa hai....
lemma share one thing....Hazrat Muhammad Salalaho ailahi wasalam kay zamanay main kabhi kisi aurat nay imamt ki? nahin na ya Hazrat Muhammad Salalaho ailahi wasalam nay kabhi kisi aurrat ko kaha kay imamat karwao nahin... tu kaisay is aurat nay ya kiya.... aurtoon ko islam nay buhat rights diyay hain aur agar ya right nahin diya tu yaqeenan is main Allah aur us kay Rasool Salalaho ailahi wasalam ki koi maslehat ho gi....

IT IS WRONG FOR A WOMEN TO BE AN IMAM....dats it


Allah ji if i wrote sumthing wrong tu mujhay bakhsh daina....AMEEN SUMA AMEEN
Posted 21 Mar 2005

kayamat ki aik aur nishani
Posted 21 Mar 2005

Bazigaar says
i don;t say anything...why? cuz it;s none of my business if what she did was rite...it's between her and god and if what she did was wrong..it's again between her and her god...

btw...this topic is about religion, why is it posted here?
Posted 22 Mar 2005

Bazigaar said:

i don;t say anything...why? cuz it;s none of my business if what she did was rite...it's between her and god and if what she did was wrong..it's again between her and her god...

btw...this topic is about religion, why is it posted here?





but u can say right what is right and wrong what is wrong. may be after some time it can help u.

and u can cure some infection in society
Posted 22 Mar 2005

actually what is the question is that if all knows that it is wrong so why some one dare doing so

i think


under the fear of expansion of islam in west, this is a volunteer effort to misled Muslims

as muslims follow current leaders rather then following Quran and Sunnah because i think majority of muslims do not recite quran with translation, so what they heard they think it is true.

in this case i fear ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, munafiqeen will try to reap the advantage.


Posted 22 Mar 2005

Bazigaar says
MsaeedBarkat said:

Bazigaar said:

i don;t say anything...why? cuz it;s none of my business if what she did was rite...it's between her and god and if what she did was wrong..it's again between her and her god...

btw...this topic is about religion, why is it posted here?





but u can say right what is right and wrong what is wrong. may be after some time it can help u.

and u can cure some infection in society


mere right ya wrong samajhnay se kuch nahi hota...
Posted 22 Mar 2005

Ashii says
Badal said:

auraton ki masjid nahi auraton ki jama'at, purely female congregation.

It is said that the salat of a lady behind a lady imam is permissible but it is makrooh tahrimi.


ohh han,, jamaat,,,
kehne mei galti ho gai
Posted 22 Mar 2005

LiL_DollY says
Posted 23 Mar 2005

SohniKuddi says
aurat ki imamiet galat hai, no doubt, magar why she did it? no idea, does any one know whether she has made any statements?

Many balieve that a woman does not have the qualities to lead, due to the times she cannot decide rationally, i think that is the main point. also if a woman carries out prayers away from men, how can she lead a jamaat of men?
Is it true that a woman can't lead a jamat purely of women also?
Posted 23 Mar 2005

LiL_DollY says
Posted 23 Mar 2005

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