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WARMTH OF LOVE said:
wht u think k .... mughaloun k zawal ki wajah sirf... kabootar thay/// naah wrong ... there were loads of reasons ... un ki administration. but one thing is quite true k Mughal hakoomat mein choon k ultimate decision ... bary Uhday_daar (RULERS) karty thay is liye .... un k yeh mashagil ... Amoor_Saltanat par asaar andaaz ziada hoty thay compare to ... British rulers.
areyyy admii jiiiii,, tussi wi na kabooter hi ho
masla kabooter nahi hein,, masla hai attitude as u said 'mashagil' jab rulers k mashaghil aise hon to kaum ya yehi haal hota hai jo hua
par khair,, sawal doosri taraf bhi hai aisa hi zawal western coutries pe kyun nahi aata ??
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When vested interests of ruling elites stand ahead of general / public interests, nations fall to disgrace. rulers in a nation mirror masses of that nation.
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Somebody tell me how we think West is not falling? Come on, West's morally bankrupt, they have only accepted that low level life style and called it modern living. We desire that lowly stature for ourselves and allow ourselves to be decieved by that.
Their fore-fathers made sacrifice and upheld their morals. European Renisance overturned their state of affairs of dark ages. They rediscovered basics of their original greek / roman teachings ("Christianity"), its morals - courage, sacrifice, learning and teaching, hard work, honesty, and UNITY...
We are doing just the opposite. We reaped the fruit of our fore-fathers' hard work and establishment as was founded by our beloved Prophet (SAW).
Before they rediscovered their glory, they followed the trail of our fore-fathers because they were successful. They realized their shortfalls in morality and humanity when they found the key of Muslims success and glory for almost 10 centuries.
Selfishness alone causes fall of nations. It stems and breeds and grows stronger in grounds of hearts where seeds of belief diminish. When trust, reliance, dependence... upon Allah shifts to self or friends, partners, allies... when ones effort only to serve personal gain, benefit, earning... and heartless to others needs, shortcoming, poverty... -- Motivation to do something shifts from reward from Allah to reward from self.
West's heading that way also, worst than that, we follow them blindly.
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zawal ki aik hi wajah hoti hai,
na insaafi
jabb apne ham watanon aur minorities par zulm ho ne lage to zawal ajata hai. musalman jabb takk minorities ka khayal rakhte the theek rahe hain, jabb unhon ne discrimination shuroo kar dee to zawal aagya. ab bhi har musalman mulk me minorities ke huqooq dekh lijiye.
yusufi ghalat farma rahe hain. sharab and sex are huqooq-ullah. Allah baksh sakta hai, kissi ko bhi. magar agar koi insan huqooq-ul-ibaad na de to phir nahi bakshta Allah itni jaldi. thats, what i think.
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Alcohol and sex are huqul-Ibad. Promotion of illicit sex, pronography ... are social ills, spread of which brings gross corruption and thus decay in social fabric. That's why Allah prescribed punishment for it in this life. There is no punishment for huqooqullah. Sharing partners with Allah is a major major sin but there isn't any punishment for it nor there is one for not praying or not fasting. This is where individuals are free to choose their religion, that matter will be decided in the hereafter. Societal ills and evils are condemned and punishment prescribed for perpetrators.
D. Lotta, you are right about justice. Justice and equality stems from high morals. Immorality encourages one to purge justice and to adopt unjust ways.
Usurping anybody's right is injustice. It is a gross injustice to checkout sisters and daoughters of others with eyes gazing all over them, it is their right that their dignity be protected from evil eyes and lustful gaze. It is injustice to demand and take bribes for the work we are already paid for with tax money. does it have anything to do with religion or minority? Daughters and girls of muslims and non-muslims and their dignity are equally respected in Islam. Money, property, honor and human rights of muslims and non-muslims are equally protected in islam. Those who don't care for the rights of their own brethren in religion would care for others!
One who's not motivated by the final accountability and reward is expected to go only lower on the standards of morality, including justice and equality.
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SALL said:
hmm,, may b
but again,,, sharab western coutries mei mana nahi hai free sex bhi nahi (shabab hi ki shakal),,,,
ghadari albata hamare han shayd zyada hai to phir...................... hum hi kyun
alcohal and sex is in our society too..it;s just that itni open nahi hae kitni west mae hae... secondly i was saying k one of these 3 things have always been a main reason in downfall of a "qoom"...
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Bazi, your point's well taken. So where'r the roots of these illnesses? We need to reach down there if we seriously mean business.
Why should people not consume alcohol, keep illicit realtionships and deceit, treachery, trason...? What's there to motivate people to refrain from these illnesses? Force, law, police and other oppressive measures can't curb the desire to do ill. It has to come from inside. When inside's clean, it will reflect on the outside as well. And that's only when there is an internal compuslion and motivation. That compulsion and motivation is called "Taqwa".
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badshah aesay mashaqel tabeen apnatay hain jub un kay pass karnay ko kuch na ho.......larnay ko dushman na ho........ mujay ajj tuk aik baat samaj nahi ayee.......jin badshahon ya shehanshahoon nai lakhoo logoo ko maar deya ya marva deya unheen haam........"The Great" kay naam sei yaad kartay hain...........unheen kya sei kya bana dea..... chaheyee maqsaad kuch be ho...unhoon nein kitni maoo sei un kay betay cheen leye...kitnay bachoo kay baap marvaa deye.....kitnay behanoo kay bahi ..... jinhoon nai dosroon ko tung nahi keyaa.....jungeen nahi keen......janwaroon ,parendoon sei dil laga leya unheen hum kin lafzoon mai yaad kartay hain ? kya haam basically vehshi nahi ?...qatal-o-gharat karnay walay hamaray hero......
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Smooth_daddy said:
So where'r the roots of these illnesses?
root is we..ourselves...how far or near we r to religion...cuz if we r near religion...none of these things would come to us...we won;t drink sharab, we won;t have 1000's of women in our "harem"...and we won;t think of "ghadari"...but if we r away from religion...then...we're doomed...
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but ye kaan ko pakarnay ke baat nahi hae...
what u r saying is insan ke behasi...which is more like a bemari...now ye bemari kiyoon hoti hae? and the reason is Khuda aur mazhab se doori...so it's not same thing...this process does not starts from behasi...but from being away from God...es waja se insaan behis ho jata hae...and then so on...
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funny you both are saying the same thing.......aik keh raha hai mazhab sei dori insan ko behis bana deti hai....ore dosra.....behis insaan mazhab sei door ho jata hai.....
she is right kaan ko eidhar sei pakroo ya udhar sei baat aik he haihakona38488.9460185185
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hakona said:
funny you both are saying the same thing.......aik keh raha hai mazhab sei dori insan ko behis bana deti hai....ore dosra.....behis insaan mazhab sei door ho jata hai.....
she is right kaan ko eidhar sei pakroo ya udhar sei baat aik he hai
behis insaan zaroori nahi k mazhab se bhi door ho...magar mazhab se door ho ker insaan behis zaroor ho jata hae..so it's two different things
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Bazigaar said:
hakona said:
funny you both are saying the same thing.......aik keh raha hai mazhab sei dori insan ko behis bana deti hai....ore dosra.....behis insaan mazhab sei door ho jata hai.....
she is right kaan ko eidhar sei pakroo ya udhar sei baat aik he hai
behis insaan zaroori nahi k mazhab se bhi door ho...magar mazhab se door ho ker insaan behis zaroor ho jata hae..so it's two different things
you mean to say a person firmly rooted in religion can still be insensitive and careless!
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faradiya said:
lol
agar insaan mazhaab sei dooor ho kay behis ho jata hai....than how it's possible kay "zaroori nahi kay behis insaan mazhab sei be door ho"
apni he kahi hoi baat ko khud he galat sabit kartay hoyee kisi ko pehli baar dekha hai...........tusi great ho sardar jee
ishq mae har insaan ka demag kharab ho jata hae...per zaroori nahi k har demag kharab insaan ko ishq hoa ho ye soochnay ke baten hain miyaan...tum nahi samjhoo gae...
n talking bout sardars...yes...esee liye sardars r so successful in states and muslims ke halat to hum sab ko pata hae
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O bahi meray ye kon sei misaal kaha fit kaar dei......zaroori nahi kay ishq mai insaan ka demag kharab ho jayee.....baaz dafa kharaab demag ishq ki waja sei theek be ho jatay hain.......ye samjanay ki bateen hai ore kheer sei app vesay he bohot samaj daar hain....kekekeke
jee haan theeek farmayaaa app nai essi leye ajj tuk sardaroon ka apna koi mulk he nahi......woe kya hai nakay great looog hotay hain woe........haar mulk ko apna mulk samajnay walay.....i really like them
ye soochnay ke baten hain miyaan...tum nahi samjhoo gae...
