how was world created?

how was world created.....


konsa version chahiye
s hawkings ya phir Quran/Bible wala




oups kdn,,,
Quran pak mei kahan likha hai mujhe yeh nahi pata,, par bible mei genesis parh lo yar (me ne khud nahi parha)
waise scientific version bhi aik jaga pe aa k atak jata hai, yani k start ka start kaise hua
aur yahan pe hum yeh maane pe majboor ho jate hein k
"let there be light, and there was light"

SALL said:

how was world created.....
konsa version chahiye
s hawkings ya phir Quran/Bible wala

ooops madame sall,

i think the quranic version is nearer to hawkings version and not to that of bible. bible me to aik kahani likhi hui hai without any basis.

quran ne aaj takk ki sciences ke khilaaf koi baat nahi ki. haaN yeh baat alag hai ke aap ne kya samjha, aap ne kya paaya.

i will come to this topic with verses later. "universe in the nut" thats, what quran said, too.


Please read this note about my opinion

oups DL
humein bohot soch samajh k post karna pare ga ab
galtiyan hum bohot karte hein,, aur bohot se bohot tarr karte hein kyunke koi pakarne wala nahi hai

hawkings ka naam lena hamari galti hai
hum uss theory ki baat kar rahe the jiss k mutabik univers ka koi start ya end nahi
hawkings believe in oppisite one,, rite ??


yar bible me ne parhi nahi hai, pehli post mei hi kaha me ne,,
par jo thora bohot idher udher,, aik aadh jumla koi baat, koi prog... uss se mujhe to yehi samajh i
5 days + 6th day Adam's creaion,, and then 7th day Shabat
creation of jaanat dozakh,,,


khair,, agar aap kuch aur detail post kar sako to acha hai
hey one thing,,,
kya Quran pak mei kahin aise likha hai k Insaan se pehle koi makhlook thi zameen pe
??







mujhe khush hona chaiye k jb se mujhe kuch seekhne ko mil raha hai, pehle there was only SD, but he doesnt post often :(
or Z,, par woh larta bohot hai,, aap k saath bhi yehi masla hai
par khair

salam again

now i just serached some of the verses from quran. i give here the english translation of these verses, right.

urdu translation jiss ne parrhni ho parrh le. the link of english translation is given at the end of this posting, hopeful, no admin will take this as ad, this is a reference of that online translation.

so here we go.

hawkins yeh kehta hai ke universe was siraf chotta sa gola tha, like a nut, akhrot ke daane barabar tha jo ke explode hua aur expanding still. and if we read quran with mind and heart, we found saari ki saari aaj ki theories in quran, too. not only hawkins but the scientists als declare that at the end of the universe, it will collapse in itself again.

so i know give some interesting verses from quran. well actuall the whole surat Anbiya is recomendable for u, specially SALL. uss me aur bhi buhat se ikhtilaafi masaayel ka jawab maujood hai, e.x. kya koi insan bina maut ke aasmaan par reh sakta hai ya nahi, wagheira wagheira.

first:
[21:31] Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed up-mass, then We opened them out? And We made of water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

[21:105] 'The day when We shall roll up the heavens like the rolling up of written scrolls by a scribe.' As We began the first creation, So shall We repeat it - a promise binding upon US; We shall certainly fulfil it.

[39:68] And they have not formed a true concept of the attributes of Allah. And the entire earth will be under His complete control on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens   rolled up in His right hand. Glory be to Him and exalted is He above that which they associate with Him.

[41:12] Then He turned to the heaven, while it was   something like smoke, and said to it and to the earth; 'Come ye both of you in obedience, willingly or unwillingly.' They said, 'We come willingly.'

jaldi me yehi mili hain abhi. well all the things written in these verses, is exactly, what the astronomic physics says. even the words like "black hole" are described in quran as the signs of the so calles end-time. and as we know, the idea and the existence of black hole is an invention of the last century. after the theories of einstein. something like smoke. wow i like this termination. look how precise quran is, smoke is defined as a mixture of no solutable particals with water. but something like smoke doesn include water since we dont know, if there is water outside in cosmos or not.

and for u especially 39:8, 39:9, 39:35

bible ko chorro. koi bible ka banda hi bataye uss ki stroy of creation. i know it and in my opinion its not scientific, so most of the scientists dont believe on it.

link for
this quran translation



Please read this note about my opinion

so were adam and eve the first ppl on earth or what?

Djeedja Shareef said:

hawkins yeh kehta hai ke universe was siraf chotta sa gola tha, like a nut, akhrot ke daane barabar tha jo ke explode hua aur expanding still. and if we read quran with mind and heart, we found saari ki saari aaj ki theories in quran, too. not only hawkins but the scientists als declare that at the end of the universe, it will collapse in itself again.

rite,, the theory of 'big bang' and 'big crunch'
yani k there was a point jahan sab start hua
aaj kal hawkings ko mante hein sabhi,, but a lot of scien still think that universe is infinitif in time,, koi start nahi aur koi end nahi


i ll read Surah Anbiyah vvv soon,, kabhi kabhi simple translation se sahi samajh nahi aati kuch,,, par pehle se baat zehn mei ho ti samajhna asaan rehta hai
Thanks



hey u didnt answer my quest concerning creatures before human beings
it seems me ne aisa kahin parha hai par zehn mei nahi aa raha,,,

answering to bazu s quest,, Hazrat Adam aur Hawa pehle insan the
i guess yes,, i have a "theory" (khekehekhehee) in my mind jo k mujhe aik dam simple si lagti hai,, but i cant say it here
sab hansein ge

dekhiye

[2:31] And when thy Lord said to the angels, 'I am about to place a vicegerent in the earth,' they said 'Wilt Thou place therein such as will cause disorder in it, and shed blood? - and we glorify Thee with Thy praise and extol Thy holiness,' He answered, 'I know what you know not.'

this is one of the ayets in quran, about Hazrat Adam (as). ab iss me yeh likha hai ke unn ko khalifa bana raha hai zameen par. khalifa ka kaam hota hai paigham puhnchana. magar kiss ko? pehla sawal.

phir farishte kehte haiN ke "Ai Allah tu iss me woh banayega jo khoon bahata hai aur fassad karta hai?" agar hazrat Adam (as) pehle insan the to farishtoN ko kaisay pata chala ke insan khoon bahate haiN aur fassad karte haiN? doosra sawal

kya farishte alimul ghaib haiN ya the?

khair, iss aayet se yehi nateeja nikalta hai ke insan maujood the pehle bhi, unn insanon me pehla nabi ya pehla khalifa hazrat adam (as) the. this is what i think and what i believe.

and about other creatures before insan. of course there were creatures, since "creator" is Allah ki aik sifft hai which is forever like all others, too. insan nahi raheNge to bhi Allah creating karta rahe ga. insaan se pehle bhi creator tha.



Please read this note about my opinion

Djeedja Shareef said:

khair, iss aayet se yehi nateeja nikalta hai ke insan maujood the pehle bhi, unn insanon me pehla nabi ya pehla khalifa hazrat adam (as) the.   

dat's excatally what i think...hazrat adam (PBUH) was first human in a sense k he was the first to bring Gpd's message to others

SALL said:

answering to bazu s quest,, Hazrat Adam aur Hawa pehle insan the
i guess yes,, i have a "theory" (khekehekhehee) in my mind jo k mujhe aik dam simple si lagti hai,, but i cant say it here
sab hansein ge

i would really like to listen to u;r theory...bout why u think hazrat adam (PBUH) was first human

read my post in 9 gazza peer

Bazigaar said:

SALL said:

answering to bazu s quest,, Hazrat Adam aur Hawa pehle insan the
i guess yes,, i have a "theory" (khekehekhehee) in my mind jo k mujhe aik dam simple si lagti hai,, but i cant say it here
sab hansein ge

i would really like to listen to u;r theory...bout why u think hazrat adam (PBUH) was first human

hazrat adam (pbuh) was the 1 human
jub allah ne mitti kay liay farishtoon say poocha to farishtay zameen say mitty lay ker aye aur farishtoon nai phoocha kay hum app ki ibadat kartay to hain

magar app insaan kioon banana chahtey hain
aur tub Allah nai farmaiya kai mai dekhna chahta hoon kai meri ibadat insaan kitni kartay hai ayr tub allah tala nai hazrat adam(pbuh)kobanaia

does it make scencs if dont then tell me i will tell you again with explaination

irsa said:

Bazigaar said:

does it make scencs if dont then tell me i will tell you again with explaination

well, if adam and eve were first 2 ppl...then they had kids....so...who did their kids married to? to continue human genration? own brothers and sisters?

ya there was only one soulution to grow up the genration

Bazigaar said:

irsa said:

Bazigaar said:

does it make scencs if dont then tell me i will tell you again with explaination

well, if adam and eve were first 2 ppl...then they had kids....so...who did their kids married to? to continue human genration? own brothers and sisters?

Bazigaar said:

irsa said:

Bazigaar said:

does it make scencs if dont then tell me i will tell you again with explaination

well, if adam and eve were first 2 ppl...then they had kids....so...who did their kids married to? to continue human genration? own brothers and sisters?

yeh baat to hai,,,
i read k aik larka aur aik larki paida hote the (twins)
aur sirf twins ki apas mei shadi nahi ho sakti thi
that was probably the reason of first murder,, coz habel wanted to marry his (twin) sister, who was suppose to b his brothers' wife
kuch aisa si baat,,,

no ref,,, i read it somewhere aur bazahir sab yehi mante hein,,,
no idea yeh baat kahan tak sach hai

SALL said:

yeh baat to hai,,,
i read k aik larka aur aik larki paida hote the (twins)
aur sirf twins ki apas mei shadi nahi ho sakti thi
that was probably the reason of first murder,, coz habel wanted to marry his (twin) sister, who was suppose to b his brothers' wife
kuch aisa si baat,,,

no ref,,, i read it somewhere aur bazahir sab yehi mante hein,,,
no idea yeh baat kahan tak sach hai

ufffffffffffffffff ab kehne ko kya reh jata hai.

[5:28] And relate to them with truth the story of the two sons of Adam, when they each offered an offering, and it was accepted from one of them and was not accepted from the other. The latter said, 'I will surely kill thee.' The former replied, 'Allah accepts only from the righteous;
5:28 - 5:32

kahiN kissi aurat ka koi zikar nahi hai. ufff yaar i always heard that orthodoxic muslims are inventin strange meanings of quran and a lot of stories. but i never heard them. and u read them all. harr kissam ki strange storie ki reference aap hi deti haiN. hahahha mazah aagya, ajeeb si story sun kar. well i didnt say ke aap ne invent ki hai ya aap believe karti hogi, but i am really amused about them. what kind of books u read. may be coz i always pray
"Rabbi allamtani, ma huwa khairun indika" My Lord, teach me, what u think is better (for me)." amin

DL
itna tappuu nahi hua karo,, me ne pehle bhi kaha na k mujhe nahi pata yeh baat kitn sach ya jhoot hai

yeh ayat ka mujhe pata hai,, par jo me ne parha/suna woh iss wakeya ka reason hai
matlab k kurbani ki hi iss liye thi k dekha jae kaun sahi hai




and now wot kind of books i read,
i read alll kind of books,,, meri itni "baseerat" nahi hai k book ko dekhte hi uss mei se nooor nikalta nazar aae mujhe, yeh batane liye k yehi parhni aur yakeen karni chaiye

SALL said:

Bazigaar said:

irsa said:

Bazigaar said:

does it make scencs if dont then tell me i will tell you again with explaination

well, if adam and eve were first 2 ppl...then they had kids....so...who did their kids married to? to continue human genration? own brothers and sisters?

yeh baat to hai,,,
i read k aik larka aur aik larki paida hote the (twins)
aur sirf twins ki apas mei shadi nahi ho sakti thi
that was probably the reason of first murder,, coz habel wanted to marry his (twin) sister, who was suppose to b his brothers' wife
kuch aisa si baat,,,

no ref,,, i read it somewhere aur bazahir sab yehi mante hein,,,
no idea yeh baat kahan tak sach hai

well, agar pehlay bro/sis mae shadi ke ijazat thee to ab kiyoon nahi hae? cuz islam only tells u not to do stuff which r not good in eyes of God...and why's that God's likeness changed from hazrat adam's time to islamic time? naah...hazrat adam was definatly not the first physical human on earth...when quran says they were..it means they were the first prophet who came to call others towards God

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