I didn't understand your question. are you asking if some one wants denominations/groups among believers or is it acceptable to be with one group or another? Or you are asking if one doesn't belong to a denomination what is his identity?

FIRQA <-- farq, tafreeq

if this TAFREEQ is between right and wrong there s nothing wrong in it
but then,,,,,,,,,
wots rite and wots wrong

I am always RIGHT, and YOU are all wrong




hey r u talking abt religious firqa bandi ??

Smooth_daddy:

I didn't understand your question. are you asking if some one wants denominations/groups among believers or is it acceptable to be with one group or another? Or you are asking if one doesn't belong to a denomination what is his identity?

SD bhai...
aap in 3 sawal k jawab e de dain... i just want to have people's opinion... wo is ka baray main kya sochtay hain..

SALL:

FIRQA <-- farq, tafreeq

if this TAFREEQ is between right and wrong there s nothing wrong in it
but then,,,,,,,,,
wots rite and wots wrong

I am always RIGHT, and YOU are all wrong




hey r u talking abt religious firqa bandi ??

hamaray country main jo bhi firqa bandi hey.. mainly religious hey..

hmmmmmmmm....
id say firqa bandi ka reason ya to "jahalat" hai
ya phir bohot zyada "ilm"

jahalat iss liye k jo kissi se influence ho k uss k peeche ankhein band kiye chal parte hein
aur ilm iss liye k ilm, guroor aur hat dharmi jab aik saath hon to jahalat se zyada khatarnak hote hein,, its just a way to dominate, to leave his print, to show others how intelligent i am




its a game of power
and nothing else............ Nabi paak ki wafaat k thore se arse baad khilafat k upper jo jhagra start hua woh aaj tak hal nahi ho paya

uss k baad se ab tak itna firqe ban chuke hein k kissi ki kuch samajh nahi aati
ehl e hadees aur ehl e sunnat ka farq to mujhe aaj tak samajh aaya hi nahi,, aik hadees pe chalte hein, aik sunnat pe..... where s the difference then ???
and wot abt wahabits... those who follow WAHAB (Allah) but then Allah says follow my messenger
the same Messenger says "man kunto maula" abt Ali but those who follow Ali are called ehl e tashei

its sooo mixed up....
nothing is clear.........

i personaly dont beleive in anyyy firqa.. sacha musalman hona sab se important hai.. log khud namaz nahi parhte par doosre firqa k logon k namaz k tareeke ko criticise karte hein




i remember jab hum log bache the to hamari apni family aur jaane waale buzrg log ajeeb si batein karte the,, to keep us away from the ppl of other sects
(sorry i wont go in details coz it may hurt few ppl)

abhi kuch din pehle mujhe aik dost ne bataya k pak k kissi shehr mei (i wont name those sects) aik firqe k logon ka office shift ho raha tha aur unn logon ne apne purane raddi k kagaz jala diye...
aur ussi shehr k aik aur firqa k logon ne yeh mashoor kar diya that these guyz burnt Quran pak
logon ne agae peeche dekhe bager unn do bandon ki achi khasi thukai kar di (or may b killed them)

kehne ka sirfff itna matlab tha k Allah miyan ki di hui thori si akal istemal karo yarrr
maana k firqon mei apas mei jhagre hein,, par sab hein to muslim hi na,,, aur chahe koi kissi bhi sect se ho woh Quran pak ki behurmati kaise kar sakta hai
un imaginable..............


since years i stopped calling myself ehl e sunnat
coz i try to follow sunnah but also hadees and Quran pak
i respect abu bakr, umar, usman and ali equaly
im a vv strict orthodox on few points
but also beleive in ijtehad (on few issues)



i forgot wot was ur question

infact i dont have a single question... i have many questions regarding this... mujhe lagta hey is baray main mera knowledge nahi hey...

so i thought it better to ask for comments and opinions..
aor Sall main ne aap ki posts dheyan se parhi hain... and i got ur point..

and now i m waiting for SD bhai to say something...

Abhi aaj e meri kisi se isi topic pe baat ho rahi thi.. and i was told a Hadees..
k bani israiel main 72 firqay thay.. aor Hazrat Muhammad SAW ne farmaya k qayamat ki nishani hey k meri ummat main 73 firqay hon gay aor un main se buss 1 haq pe hoga..

i hav heard this hadith as well Dr Sam ..

waisay ur questions raised many questions in my mind as well..

We all are Muslims Alhmumduillah (Naam k kein ya amal k it doesn't matters) laiken jab religion Islam aik hai.. Allah ki kikab aik hai.. Nabi (SAW) ki taleemaat aik hein tu phir ye itnay farqay kyun hein ...

wait let me ask sum one then i'll post here as well ..

ok, Sammy! very short and sweet. There is just one band of believers who take Islam as a complete package and leave out nothing from its fold, i'e. don't reject/deny/ignore any article of faith or pillars of Islam. Differences in opinions and rituals that stem from scholarly interpretation are not for dividing the ummah in sects. Fact of the matter is, those scholars respected and revered each other with utmost love and regard.

Those who fought for centuries over their denominations, today they are raising slogans of "United we stand" while we truly reflect the slogan "divided we fall"

SD bhai... i feel mujhe aap ki baat theek se samajh nahi aayi..

aap ne kaha... There is just one band of believers who take Islam as a complete package and leave out nothing from its fold, i'e. don't reject/deny/ignore any article of faith or pillars of Islam.

which band...? i mean ye kon log hain.. aor kya ye wo baat hey jo main ne hadees mubarak quote ki thi..? k sirf aik firqa theek hoga...?

aor sd bhai... ye differences kahan se kese aor kion aaye..? aor phir kese ye itni strong ho gaye k ab islam firqon main divide ho gya hey...

Doctor Sam:

which band...? i mean ye kon log hain.. aor kya ye wo baat hey jo main ne hadees mubarak quote ki thi..? k sirf aik firqa theek hoga...?

yep - that's the one.

Doctor Sam:

aor sd bhai... ye differences kahan se kese aor kion aaye..? aor phir kese ye itni strong ho gaye k ab islam firqon main divide ho gya hey...

Jahiliyah (ignorance)!
Islam came to clear the fog and to rid off darkness of jahiliyah. We are bent upon returning to jahiliyah.

i think with the passage of time .. our needs, way of life style changed and new things were invented which were not present at that time (azaan on loud speakers etc) this also created diffrence of opinions among people nd thus we wre divided in firqas..

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ye daikh ker mujhay bohat afsos hua
kya ye sab new generation ko confuse kernay ki wajha nahin banay ga
ALLAH nay sab musalmaanon kay liye aik tareeqa bataya
aagay hum nay oos ko do iqsaam (na jany aur kitnay tareeqay hon gay) iqsam main baant diya

firqa bandi kahan lau jaye gi hamain?

raste alag alag ho sakte hain manzil sab ki aik hi he.by and large there are two sects only shias and sunnis.and the major difference between them is not on religion but on history of arabs after the death of holy prophet p.b.u.h.and to be fear both are wrong in their interpretations of that era.khilafat was not a system at all,it was just another name for dictatorship.power game has always been a dirty game.....sigh

nikama:

raste alag alag ho sakte hain manzil sab ki aik hi he.by and large there are two sects only shias and sunnis.

It isn't a question of large or small sects, the issue at hand is how differences can be bridged?

nikama:

and the major difference between them is not on religion but on history of arabs after the death of holy prophet p.b.u.h.and to be fear both are wrong in their interpretations of that era.

This makes no sense to me Denominations only occur when there are serious differences in the interpretation of the religion. It doesn't make sense to create division in the people of same faith on the view of history.

nikama:

khilafat was not a system at all,it was just another name for dictatorship.power game has always been a dirty game.....sigh

You are dead-wrong there... and you are wrong again when you don't think dictatorship is not a system.

I am not a supporter of dictatorship, but it is the way of governance in most places in the world.
Khilafa is not dictatorship - it is balanced between democratic and dictatorial systems.

Again, for differences within sects. History witnessed how a brother of same religion and sect sought help of a common enemy against his own brother. The enemy killed both of them and devoured their weatlh, plundered their honor, and they were forever recorded in history as disgraced.

QV wah

maza a gia

keep it up

chand babau
ye aik serious topic hai aap apni rai dain
sirf wah wah nahin kerni

waisay yahan mera kya ziker?
it means aap nay ooper wali koi post nahin perhi aur post ker di

Smooth_daddy:

   It doesn't make sense to create division in the people of same faith on the view of history.

sd bhai.. aap ne nikammay bhai ki jis post ko reply kiya hey, i didnt get it well .. wo kya kehna chahtay hain.. aor aap ne kya reply kiya hey.. Mujhe aik isi baat ki samajh aayi hey jo main ne ooper quote ki hey..

i wanted to know about Firqa bandi. i.e. the division in ehl-e-sunnat, ehl-e-hadees, fiqa-jafriya...
Differences kahan se aaaye aor kion.. it really does not make any sense.. 1 religion and the followers are divided...

To put it in simple words, almost all divisions (sects) originated from difference in opinion on isses of fiqh. Only few were based on differences in aqeedah (creed) or faith. The real tragedy has been lack of leadership - a bonding and uniting agent like Salahuddin Ayubi. His success has been attributed to his ability to unite the foes under one banner. We need a leader who is deeply religious but visionary to overlook minor differences for achieving greater gains.

is it possible now to have one leader...?who has ability to lead and the Muslims can follow him with the faith that he is right...

That's what ummah is craving for.

hummmmmmm

waiting for imam mehdi.

nikama:

waiting for imam mehdi.

WOW

im waiting for IMAM MEHDI SALAWAT ALEH TOO


I wish He come soon INSHALLAH

Not just him. One like Salahuddin would do the job.