Personallu Hijab starts from the heart, i respect what parda means, but i dont believe a peice of material can prove a womans religion. Hijaab aur parda dil se suro hotie hai

chalan ya chalaaan

theek hai
aap apne ghar walon ko pehna lijiye pehle

Hijab dil main hota hay dikhawa koi cheez nahi

I don't know the intentions behind this topic but it has a sarcastic undertone there. Again, its my gutt feeling.

Actions reflect intentions and character of a person. Outlook of a person is indicative of their personality.

In this part of the world, nakedness of women is much appreciated. Of course, in such a society, women clad in hijaab and modest clothing would be looked upon as oppressed and seen as forced to hide their beauty.

In the other part of the world where modest dressing and hijaab is considered a reflection of dignified character. skimpy clothing is characterized just the opposite.

Apart from societal view of women in modest or scanty clothes, its a matter of how a woman finds comfortable when seen as an intelligent person or as an object of carnal desire.

Thanks TT

...but whatever is in the heart must reflect in clothes, manners, etiquettes, behavior, dealing with others and in worship.

Quran has hardly ever mentioned eman without action. One who believes and is comitted to hayaa, wears hijab, and the one who has doubts, avoids it.

Smooth_daddy:

One who believes and is comitted to hayaa, wears hijab, and the one who has doubts, avoids it.

Why the ladies are bound to show hayaa in this way? Why not men also are suggested to wear burka?

Smooth_daddy:

Actions reflect intentions and character of a person. Outlook of a person is indicative of their personality.
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What do you mean? The ladies not wearing burka are charecterless?

danie:

Why the ladies are bound to show hayaa in this way? Why not men also are suggested to wear burka?

Danie, its very simple, that is how women committed to Islam want to present themselves as opposed to those who pride in exposing themselves. Apparently, you have problem with women who cover themselves but have no objection on those who shed their clothes.

my friend, women don't have to be the object of pleasure for the eye of man. Nor do they have to be a victim of man's desire of seeing every curve of her body. There are some who want to gaurd their chastity and their beauty for the one they find their partner, yet there are those who expose their beauty in varying degrees to others for recieving praise from every watching eye. They make that decision from their heart and mind. So let us not impose man's desire upon them.

For differences between two genders for showing hayaa are for differences in attractions and appeals. If you like, I can explain that to you.

danie:

Smooth_daddy:

Actions reflect intentions and character of a person. Outlook of a person is indicative of their personality.
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What do you mean? The ladies not wearing burka are charecterless?

let me ask you some basic questions before establishing what i mean.

1. One with eyes and a blind are equal in their ability to see?
2. Are knowledgeable person and ignorant equal?
3. Light and dark are equal?

I am sure you and everybody else will respond in negative. Also some may say, well! they may not be equal but not very far apart depending on the degree of blindness, relative difference in knowledge and ignorance, and light and dark.

Exactly, that's how characters differ from a person to another. In the case of burka, limits are between complete covering and complete bareness. you got the point!

before the mentioning of the ‘Hijab’ for the women, the Qur’an mentioned the ‘Hijab’, for the man. It is mentioned in Surah Nur, Ch. No. 24, Verse No. 30, it says to the believing man, that… ‘He should lower his gaze and guard his modesty’. The next Verse… Surah Nur, Ch. 24, Verse No. 31, says... ‘Say to the believing woman, that she should lower her gaze and guard her modesty and display not her beauty, except what is that necessary of, and to draw a head covering over her bosom, except in front of her father, her son, her husband’, and a big list of ‘Na-Mahram’, the close relatives which she can marry is given, and but natural, in front of the chaste women - Besides these, she should maintain the Hijab. The criteria for Hijab in Islam, can be found in the Qur’an, and the Sahih Hadith. Suppose two ladies… two twin sisters were equally beautiful - if they are walking down the street, and if round the corner there is a hooligan, who is waiting for a catch… who is waiting to tease a girl. Both twin sisters are walking, both are equally beautiful - one is in the Hijab… Islamic Hijab - one is wearing a mini or a skirt. Which girl will that hooligan tease? … Which girl will he tease? But natural, the one in the short or the mini girl. If a girl is wearing a normal salwar kameez, with her head open… may be the salwar kameez tight, and the other girl is wearing a Islamic Hijab - Which girl will he tease? But natural, the girl who is not in Hijab. It is practical proof, that Hijab is been ordained in Islam… not to degrade the woman, but to protect her modesty.

Thanks sun-shine

Smooth_daddy:

danie:

Why the ladies are bound to show hayaa in this way? Why not men also are suggested to wear burka?

Apparently, you have problem with women who cover themselves but have no objection on those who shed their clothes.

my friend, women don't have to be the object of pleasure for the eye of man. Nor do they have to be a victim of man's desire of seeing every curve of her body. There are some who want to gaurd their chastity and their beauty for the one they find their partner, yet there are those who expose their beauty in varying degrees to others for recieving praise from every watching eye. They make that decision from their heart and mind. So let us not impose man's desire upon them.

For differences between two genders for showing hayaa are for differences in attractions and appeals. If you like, I can explain that to you.

First of all plz don't think that u r a saint and others
are bloody sadist. I also never like to see a girl in revealing cloths but it doesn't mean u force her to cover herself from top to bottom. It is very easy to give lecture on hijab but u think how will u feel if u are forced to cover urself comletely from top to bottom and go to market.
I think it will be very difficult to even breath. I think girls can tell us better how they feel in burqa. Completely covered from nails to hair(on head). I don't think there is any wrong if they are allowed to keep their face and fingers uncovered.

yeh aapki society pe depend karta hay.agar aap europe main hay to wahan log kisi ko ghoor ghoor kar nahin dekhtay.jabkay asia may situation bilkul different hay.
main hijab karti hoon,face bhi chupa hota hay laikin ismay aadat ki baat hai.shuroo main ap uncomfortable feel karaingi per baad may apko aadat ho jayegi.
mujhe koi problem nahin full hijab may.yahan pe to hijab pehennay waliyon ki kaafi izzat hoti hay.

sun_shine:

yeh aapki society pe depend karta hay.agar aap europe main hay to wahan log kisi ko ghoor ghoor kar nahin dekhtay.jabkay asia may situation bilkul different hay.
main hijab karti hoon,face bhi chupa hota hay laikin ismay aadat ki baat hai.shuroo main ap uncomfortable feel karaingi per baad may apko aadat ho jayegi.
mujhe koi problem nahin full hijab may.yahan pe to hijab pehennay waliyon ki kaafi izzat hoti hay.

S-S thanx for joining. Mein aapki baat se sahmat hoon ki pahle taqleef hogi phir baad mein aadat parr jaegi. Aadat to har baat ki parr sakti hei. Agar aap aaj se langrri taang chalna shuru kar do to shuru mein taqlee3f hogi par baad mein aadat parr jaegi. Agar aap aaj se din mein sirf ek baar khao to shuru mein to taqleef hogi par baad mein aadat ho jaegi. So it is not the matter.
Aur mein Indian hoon. 5 saal Dubai mei raha hoon. 6 mahine se China mein hoon lekin maine koi aisa aadmi nahin dekha jo kisi ko fakat is liye ghoor raha ho ki us ne muh nahi dak rakha ho.

danie:

Smooth_daddy:

danie:

Why the ladies are bound to show hayaa in this way? Why not men also are suggested to wear burka?

First of all plz don't think that u r a saint and others
are bloody sadist. I also never like to see a girl in revealing cloths but it doesn't mean u force her to cover herself from top to bottom. It is very easy to give lecture on hijab but u think how will u feel if u are forced to cover urself comletely from top to bottom and go to market.
I think it will be very difficult to even breath. I think girls can tell us better how they feel in burqa. Completely covered from nails to hair(on head). I don't think there is any wrong if they are allowed to keep their face and fingers uncovered.

Hey danie, i am telling you this again, women of faith implement the command from Quran without anyone forcing them to that, at least in where I live or have lived - pakistan or US. If they don't have a problem, why do you get so emotional about it?

I am well aware of indians being critical of burqas and hijabs. they have mentioned it to me on different ocassions - i tell 'em and I'll tell you, respect their choice just as you would respect the choice of those who do not cover themselves. and if you want to know how they feel in a garment fully covering them, ask 'em without offending the very idea of it.

danie:

S-S thanx for joining. Mein aapki baat se sahmat hoon ki pahle taqleef hogi phir baad mein aadat parr jaegi. Aadat to har baat ki parr sakti hei. Agar aap aaj se langrri taang chalna shuru kar do to shuru mein taqlee3f hogi par baad mein aadat parr jaegi. Agar aap aaj se din mein sirf ek baar khao to shuru mein to taqleef hogi par baad mein aadat ho jaegi. So it is not the matter.
Aur mein Indian hoon. 5 saal Dubai mei raha hoon. 6 mahine se China mein hoon lekin maine koi aisa aadmi nahin dekha jo kisi ko fakat is liye ghoor raha ho ki us ne muh nahi dak rakha ho.

Well, you get used to drugs also. they don't effect as much once your body gets used to it.

Danie, you don't understand! hijab is an issue of faith and if it poses some physical difficulty, believers value their faith over their bodily comforts.

There are many women I know who have been posed with the same question, "Boy! it must be very hot in those clothes, especially in this heat?" I was impressed with their response, "yeah it gets little warm, but hell fire is worse, I'd rather be little hot here than being in a pit of fire." Its not only women of asian or middle east origin are committed to covering them selves, its the local reverts who say and act like that.

danie:

Aur mein Indian hoon. 5 saal Dubai mei raha hoon. 6 mahine se China mein hoon lekin maine koi aisa aadmi nahin dekha jo kisi ko fakat is liye ghoor raha ho ki us ne muh nahi dak rakha ho.

It may be true. Let me relate to you a story from last week that was narrated on the National Public Radio (NPR - most widely heard news radio in US). It reported increasing "street sexual harassment" against women in New York. Several women narrated their stories about how they were approached and were harassed. Most commonly, it was their clothing that drew such attention. One lady went about saying that after she realized that she was being looked upon in an undignified way, she immediately went to a nearby store, bought a sweatshirt and put it on to protect herself.

danie sir ISLAM main koi aisi baat ka hukum nahin diya gaya hay jis mein insaniyat ka faida na ho.
baat mu dhaknay ya na dhaknay ki nahi hay
baat hay hijab ki,yeh ap per hay k ap apni society k
mutabik kaisa hijab pehentay hain.
aap china main rehtay hain wahan per log bhalay hi aurat ko na dekhtay ho per suppose agar main yahan pakistan may without hijab kahi jao to yakeenan log
mujhay dekhaingay.meri friend she is in BALOCHISTAN UNIVERSITY in quetta woh hijab karkay aur mu chupa kay
university jaati hain kyunki agar woh without hijab jaye
to buhat saray problems ho saktay hain.ap per awazein kastay hain to in problems ko avoid karnay k liye
hijab is the best solution.

SIR HUM NE HIJAB PEHENNAY KAY BUHAT SAARAY ADVANTAGES BAYAAN KIYE. AAP ISKA KOI DISADVANTAGE TO BATAYE
TAKAY HUM SAB SAMAJH SAKAY K LOG IS SAY INKAR KYUN KARTAY HAIN.

Thanks sunshine for your support

thanks but it should be prooved by someone who is against hijab that what is its disadvantages?

I'm wid ya, waiting on

Blame it on the veil?



By Madeline Bunting

It’s been quite extraordinary: one man’s emotional response to the niqab — the Muslim veil that covers all but the eyes — has snowballed into a perceived titanic clash of cultures in which commentators pompously pronounce on how Muslims are “rejecting the values of liberal democracy”.

Jack Straw feels uncomfortable and within a matter of hours, his discomfort is calibrated on news bulletins and websites in terms of an inquisitorial demand: do Muslims in this country want to integrate? How does Straw’s “I feel ...” spin so rapidly into such grandstanding?

The confusions and sleights of hand are legion, and it’s hard to know where to start to unpick this holy mess. Let’s begin with its holiness, because this is an element which has been absent from the furore. There are two distinct patterns of niqab-wearing in this country. One group wears the niqab by cultural tradition. Often they are relatively recent migrants, from Somalia or Yemen for example, and for the record it is not a “symbol of oppression” but a symbol of status.

The second group comprises the small but slightly increasing number of younger women who wear it as a sign of their intense piety. This latter prompted the memory of being taken as a child by my mother to visit the Poor Clares’ convent in York. We gave alms to these impoverished women who had chosen complete segregation from the world as part of their strict spiritual discipline; we talked to the gentle, warm mother superior through the bars of a grille that symbolised their retreat from the world. No one accused these nuns of “rejecting the values of liberal democracy” — yet they were co-religionists of the IRA terrorists of their time.

The point is that within all religious traditions there are trends emphasising the corrupting influences of the world and how one must keep them at a distance. Catholicism and the celibate monastic tradition of Buddhism interpret this in one way. Salafi Islam interprets it in modes of dress and behaviour in public places. Since when has secular Britain become so intolerant that it can’t accommodate (no one is asking them to like) these small minorities of puritanical piety?

But the bigger part of the muddle is why Straw felt entitled to privilege his emotional response without questioning it more deeply. Does it not occur to men opining on their sense of “rejection” at the niqab that it could be equally prompted by separatist lesbians? Or on another even more obvious tack: how comfortable does the woman wearing the niqab feel coming to visit her MP ensconced in his cultural context, at ease with enormous power and authority?

Comfort is a disastrous new measure for interactions in a diverse society. I’ve got a long list of discomforts. Does that licence me to make demands of others? I find talking to blind people difficult because I rely on eye contact. Similarly, dark glasses are problematic. And, to my shame, I often give up on conversations with people hard of hearing because I over-rely on chat to kindle warmth.

So forget comfort and accept the starting point for any kind of tolerance: that it’s not easy, that it requires imagination, that it makes demands of us. Learn new forms of communication and your world expands.

This debate about the niqab is the flipside of another, parallel debate (led by women) about the over-sexualisation of another subset of women who dress very provocatively (no men complaining here). One of the impulses for women who choose to take the niqab is how highly sexualised public space in this country has become. How do you signal your rejection — even repulsion — at what you regard as near-P**Nography blazoned over billboards?

A point worth pondering is that a minority of young women are so repulsed by the offer of femininity in Britain — rapidly rising alcohol abuse, soaring sexually transmitted diseases — that they have sought such a drastic option as the niqab.

And here’s the most damaging aspect of Straw’s self-indulgent intervention: the niqab is a drastic option and one that many Muslim women reject. It is the response of a minority who feel that they are living in a hostile climate.

Straw’s comments have unleashed a storm of prejudice that only exacerbates the very tendencies which prompt some Muslims to retreat. They undermine efforts within the Muslim community to build more self-confidence, to encourage tightly knit communities to reach out. They have elevated the situation of a tiny minority of women who are often the most fearful anyway into a national problem — even that they form a barrier to successful integration.

This is dangerous and absurd. There are many far more important barriers to successful integration. Two-thirds of children from families of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are growing up in poverty.

More than 20 per cent of all Muslim youths between 16 and 24 are unemployed. In many areas, the desire of second generation Muslims to integrate is being stymied by “white flight” from residential areas and white families using parental choice in education to avoid schools with large numbers of Asian pupils.

Outgoing, confident ethnic communities are built where they find understanding, opportunity and engagement. We need to ask ourselves whether that is what we have provided.

Straw’s comments on the niqab escalated into an utterly false implication that Muslims don’t really want to integrate. Television reports ran over pictures of monocultural playgrounds. Ted Cantle’s identification of “parallel lives” in his report on the Bradford riots of 2001 has morphed into a problem that is being laid entirely at the door of a small minority that is impoverished and marginalised. This is ugly.

And there is another, equally ugly, agenda here. Many Muslims were surprised at Straw’s comments — including close political Muslim allies — given his long relationship with the community in his constituency. There has been speculation on his political ambitions. But the point that intrigues me is how Straw is elevating this question as one of primary national concern. In an article on Tony Crosland in the New Statesman last month, Straw cited the Labour thinker’s belief that class was the great divide in society, and added that, now, “religion” was the great divide.

Obviously, Straw meant Islam. No one is too worried about a shrinking number of Anglicans or Catholics. It’s a magnificent convenience for New Labour to let the divides of class slip from view as they prove intractable and social mobility grinds to a halt. In its place, a divide is drawn between a Muslim minority and the vast majority of non-Muslims. It resonates — as the public response to Straw testifies — but it is profoundly mistaken.

The job of a political leader at this historical juncture is to prod our complacencies and prejudices, to open our eyes to recognising how much we have in common; how much of Islam we non-Muslims can appreciate and admire. How much Islam can contribute to the far greater problems we all face? We shouldn’t be hounding those nervous or pious women in their niqabs. Their choice of clothing is as irrelevant as that of Goths. Beware, said Freud wisely, of the narcissism of small differences.

remarkable essay
good research SRK