sufism.....?

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danie

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Mei sufism ke baare me janna chahta hoon.
kisi ko iske baare mei knowledge ho to plz bataen.
Posted 20 Nov 2006

crescent says
salam
      sufism asal main ziyaada ter pak & india main hai aor bangladesh aor edhar udhar bhi thora buhut hai....
yeh asal main wo tabqa hai jo peer waghaira pe believe kartey hain aor mureedon ka wo saara chakkar aap ko pata hoga...ab yeh aap per depend karta hai ke aap kiss mentality key hain ......... aap ALLAH se directly koiyee dua maangna pasand kartey hain ya ALLAH ko kissi ka waasta de ker dua karna chahtey hain..... merey khayal main pehley waala idea theek hai.... kiyon ke ALLAH sab ka hai ........ jitna wo kissi peer ka ya kissi sufi ka hai ya kissi buzurg ka hai oss se kissi tarha kum aap ka or mera bhi nahi hai.... tu kiyon na hum khud ALLAH se baraah e raast dua maangain?????
      yeh bhi aap batata chalon ke mujh se peer parast loog ittefaaq nahi karengay .....
shukria
Posted 20 Nov 2006

sun_shine says
yaa
mainay buhat baar suna hain kay fala aadmi kisi ka mureed ho gaya hain.what does it mean?
kya yeh sufism hain?
Posted 20 Nov 2006

SD ko pata hoga
Posted 20 Nov 2006

Ashii says
u r wrong crescent
sufi saaare muslim world mei hote hein,, Iran, Iraq, Turkey mei bhi bohot guzre hein

kuch log sufism ko galt rang de dete hein,,
mazar pe nazar charhana,, kawali karna ya sunna ya baal lambe kar lena
iss se koi sufi nahi ban jata
its nothing wrong but as quite complicated so we better stay away of things we dont understand


hmm a proper answer can b given by SD
or i ll try to find out something in simple words
wait
Posted 20 Nov 2006

kiran says
very good ashii jo appne batain batai like chadar charhana yeh to shirak kabhi allah ke siwa kisi se kuch nahin mangna chahiye per naik loogon se duaa kerwane main koi haraj nahin
Posted 20 Nov 2006

mmja says
good ashi je and kiran je lakin kiran je jab uper walay na khud kaha hai jo mangna hai mugh say mango to phir kisi dosray ko bech main lanay ka matlab hai kay hamar uper walay pay imaan nahin raha kay hum mangay gay to woh hamari nahin sonay ga main to kam say kam inkay against hon
Posted 21 Nov 2006

mmja says
sun_shine said:

yaa
mainay buhat baar suna hain kay fala aadmi kisi ka mureed ho gaya hain.what does it mean?
kya yeh sufism hain?


mureed hona koi bori bat nahin hai jo insaan bhi uper walay kay nazdeek qarib ho uskay mareed banay ka matlab hota hai kay iskay ilam say hum bhi kuch sikh sakayn or uskay rotbay ki rispect kartay hain isliay kehtay hain kay hum falan kay mureed hain lakin ajkal mareed or gadi nashino ko boht bora hal hai
Posted 21 Nov 2006

sun_shine says
yaa thanks for explination
Posted 21 Nov 2006

danie says
But my Q is still unanswered. What is sufism? what are
their customs? I have listened few sufi poetries and
I really like them.

Smooth Daddy kahan hein aajkal?
Kahin milte bhi nahin?
Posted 21 Nov 2006

mmja says
sun_shine said:

yaa thanks for explination

you most welcome
Posted 22 Nov 2006

he substance and definition of Sufism: the substance of Sufism is the Truth and the definition of Sufism is the selfless experiencing and actualization of the Truth.

The practice of Sufism: the practice of Sufism is the intention to go towards the Truth, by means of love and devotion. This is called the Tariqat, the Spiritual Path or way towards God.

The definition of the sufi: the sufi is one who is a lover of Truth, who by means of love and devotion moves towards the Truth, towards the Perfection which all are truly seeking. As necessitated by Love's jealousy, the sufi is taken away from all except the Truth-Reality. For this reason, in Sufism it is said that, "Those who are inclined towards the hereafter can not pay attention to the material world. Likewise, those who are involved in the material world can not concern themselves with the hereafter. But the sufi (because of Love' s jealousy) is unable to attend to either of these worlds."

Concerning this same idea, Shebli has said, "One who dies for the love of the material world, dies a hypocrite. One who dies for the love of the hereafter, dies an ascetic. But one who dies for the love of the Truth, dies a sufi."



SUFISM

Sufism is a school for the actualization of divine ethics. It involves an enlightened inner being, not intellectual proof; revelation and witnessing, not logic. By divine ethics, we are referring to ethics which transcend mere social convention; a way of being which is the actualization of the attributes of God.

To explain the Truth is indeed a difficult task. Words, being limited, can never really express the Perfection of the Absolute, the Unbound. Thus, for those who are imperfect, words create doubt and misunderstanding. Yet:

    If one cannot drink up the entire ocean,
    one can drink to one's limit.

Philosophers have written volumes and spoken endlessly of the Truth, but somehow their efforts have always fallen short. For the sufi, philosophers are those who view the Perfection of the Absolute from a limited perspective; so all they see is part of the Absolute, not the Infinite in its entirety. It is indeed true that what philosophers see is correct; nevertheless, it is only a part of the whole.

One is reminded of Rumi's well-known story of a group of men in India who had never seen an elephant. One day they came to a place where an elephant was. In complete darkness they approached the animal, each man feeling it. Afterwards, they described what they thought they had perceived. Of course their descriptions were different. He who had felt a leg, imagined the elephant to be a pillar. The man who felt the animal's ear, described the elephant as a fan, and so on. Each one of their descriptions with respect to the various parts they had experienced was true. However, as far as accurately describing the whole, their conceptions had all fallen short. If they had had a candle, the difference of opinions would not have come about. The candle's light would have revealed the elephant as a whole.

Only by the light of the Spiritual Path and the mystic way can the Truth really be actualized. In order for one to truly witness the Perfection of the Absolute, one must see with one's inner being, which perceives the whole of Reality. This witnessing happens when one becomes perfect, losing one's (partial) existence in the Whole.

If the Whole is likened to the Ocean, and the part to a drop, the sufi says that witnessing the Ocean with the eye of a drop is impossible. However, when the drop becomes one with the Ocean, it sees the Ocean with the eye of the Ocean.

Posted 22 Nov 2006

danie says
Thanx SRK.
I was looking some this kind of stuff actually.

Now I know the basic roots-material of sufism, althogh
it have generate many new quiries. For that I think I will have to look for a real Sufi. I am feeling helpless as I am here in China, indulge in a job.

I think most of us cannot think and try to find the so called Absolute Truth during their whole life. Our lives does not go beyond money, luxary, relations and other materialstic world. Specially in this present era, we are a part of which. In the old time people used to think on these subjects also,it seems.

The few who anyhow come to think about it and try remains like on the surface of the Ocean. But the waves, we can see is not the Ocean. These are just a part of it as SRK explained.

To go in depth and reach the bottom; I think a whole life is also not enough.
Posted 23 Nov 2006

Very nicely explained Shah Rukh Khan. But it is very difficult for new one to understand. Hope to see some easy words.

And Crescent Never mind. I dont agree with your words.

Posted 23 Nov 2006

kiran says
mmj bas insaan ka appna imaan paka hona chahiye ke maine bas khuda se mangna hai aur kisi se nahin to yeh sab kuch khatam ho sakta hai
Posted 23 Nov 2006

mmja says
bilkul or uper walay ka shukar hai kay kum say kum hum main yeh cheez hai or un tamam logoon kay liayt duaa hai jo is pay amal nahin kartay uper wala unhay sahi rasta dikhaye(ameeen)
Posted 24 Nov 2006

nikama says
i have a lot to say,but some other time
Posted 27 Nov 2006

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