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Doctor Sam

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do u beleive in celebrating valentines day.?

last year, i made a topic.. just wanted to convey my thought...

Celebrating this day means Following Saint valentine.. do we have to follow him?
Posted 12 Feb 2007

Ashii says
i dont beleive in such days
btw,, wots the story behind it

who s st valentine ??
Posted 12 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam says
let me find that story, i have read stories about it.. with minor differences..

In short, saint valentines was put in prison by king of that time. the king was against love and lovers. king's daughter fell in love with valentine..

dont know what exactly happened on 14th. he was executed.. and i think before that he sent a bookay to grl....
Posted 12 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam says
i m seriously shocked aisha.. what we are doing.. as with basant, we are making these days SPECIAL and part of our traditions.. they are being celebrated as v special ocassions.. i think people are not as much excited on Eidain as they are enthusiastic about these...
Posted 12 Feb 2007

Ashii says
ahaannnnnnnnnn,, interesting



o well not really






yarr even in europe (western society) not much ppl know abt the roots of this event
all I know is,, its nothing but another way to make ppl spend money
pure eco/commercial day,, there isnt anything sentimental here

same in india and pak
waise bhi we love to follow wotever sounds "filmi"
Posted 12 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam says
hmmmm... well said..

"Filmi" ... but its not as harmless as it seems....
Posted 12 Feb 2007

Ashii says
vv true
i ve heard night parties s been arranged for valentines
where only young couples are allowed
i dont think if many married couples attend these "social events"
well,, atleast not with their spouse hehee


same with basant
alcohol, drugs, and mujre,, how many ppl bring their wives and sisters to these special basant evenings ??
hmmmm,,, hamra bhi dil kar raha hai jaane ka ab to
Posted 12 Feb 2007

again
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam says
Ashii said:

vv true
i ve heard night parties s been arranged for valentines
where only young couples are allowed
i dont think if many married couples attend these "social events"
well,, atleast not with their spouse hehee


same with basant
alcohol, drugs, and mujre,, how many ppl bring their wives and sisters to these special basant evenings ??
hmmmm,,, hamra bhi dil kar raha hai jaane ka ab to



its a real tragedy....
young generation is misdirected
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam said:

Ashii said:

vv true
i ve heard night parties s been arranged for valentines
where only young couples are allowed
i dont think if many married couples attend these "social events"
well,, atleast not with their spouse hehee


same with basant
alcohol, drugs, and mujre,, how many ppl bring their wives and sisters to these special basant evenings ??
hmmmm,,, hamra bhi dil kar raha hai jaane ka ab to



its a real tragedy....
young generation is misdirected



... because it seems so attractive. It is like a chocolate quoted poison pill.
...and the generation before them is so blinded by the glare of its outlook. Oblivious of a blackhole behind it, they are throwing themselves in it at full speed. their kids follow their footsteps.

Nations that loose their true identity, loose their self-respect, dignity, freedom and themselves. In hunt for a new identity they become captivies of alien isms so they may be identified by that. Irony of it is, they will remain second class and their children will be enslaved - not necessarily in physical sense.
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Ashii said:


yarr even in europe (western society) not much ppl know abt the roots of this event
all I know is,, its nothing but another way to make ppl spend money
pure eco/commercial day,, there isnt anything sentimental here



Commercialism: That is always the driving force in all deviations. This is nothing new. Another old tradition is to think commercialized customs are benign and harmless.

Only one example I will present for those who will understand.

Quresh of makkah opposed Islam right at its birth. Islam meant end of their commercialized pagan practices. Manufacturing and trading of idols will not exist anymore, pilgrims will not be required to purchase their pilgrimage clothings from quresh at a premium and on and on...in short, end of monopoly on trade, commerce, and wealth accumulation in few hands and end of slavry...leading to justice, equal treatment, freedom, opportunity for all to prosper and be protected...
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Ashii said:

same in india and pak
waise bhi we love to follow wotever sounds "filmi"



Yeah because, we think that's where fun, honor and recognition is. we are like tumbling weeds that are kicked around in direction of the wind. even when its not blowing hard - it won't hold a ground. It can't stand upto the weakest of gusts of wind.

I fear of our future generations treading the path of complete ignorance. We are not passing to them a fully lit lamp. Rather, we are pushing ourselves and them into the darkness of ignorance.
Posted 13 Feb 2007

~Fragi~ says
love ko express karna bura nahi

kisi khas din per bhi express karna bura nahi

Ijtimai taur per express karna b bura nahi

aur khas ker gifts dena b hargiz bura nahi

tu valentines day manana b bura nahi


haan per cheap harkatien karna,stupid kaam karna , kissi ko tung karna hargiz theek nahi
Posted 13 Feb 2007

~Fragi~ says
Ashii said:

vv true
i ve heard night parties s been arranged for valentines
where only young couples are allowed
i dont think if many married couples attend these "social events"
well,, atleast not with their spouse hehee


same with basant
alcohol, drugs, and mujre,, how many ppl bring their wives and sisters to these special basant evenings ??
hmmmm,,, hamra bhi dil kar raha hai jaane ka ab to




Log eidzzz per b aaisee parties arrange karney lagey hain
Posted 13 Feb 2007

~tasha~ says
Doctor Sam said:

do u beleive in celebrating valentines day.?

last year, i made a topic.. just wanted to convey my thought...

Celebrating this day means Following Saint valentine.. do we have to follow him?



no i don't!
and am not going to celebrate it.
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam says
Smooth_daddy said:

Doctor Sam said:

Ashii said:

vv true
i ve heard night parties s been arranged for valentines
where only young couples are allowed
i dont think if many married couples attend these "social events"
well,, atleast not with their spouse hehee


same with basant
alcohol, drugs, and mujre,, how many ppl bring their wives and sisters to these special basant evenings ??
hmmmm,,, hamra bhi dil kar raha hai jaane ka ab to



its a real tragedy....
young generation is misdirected



... because it seems so attractive. It is like a chocolate quoted poison pill.
...and the generation before them is so blinded by the glare of its outlook. Oblivious of a blackhole behind it, they are throwing themselves in it at full speed. their kids follow their footsteps.

Nations that loose their true identity, loose their self-respect, dignity, freedom and themselves. In hunt for a new identity they become captivies of alien isms so they may be identified by that. Irony of it is, they will remain second class and their children will be enslaved - not necessarily in physical sense.


who is responsible....

i dont blame media... Its our elders, i think...

what do u think, sd bhai
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam says
Smooth_daddy said:

Ashii said:


yarr even in europe (western society) not much ppl know abt the roots of this event
all I know is,, its nothing but another way to make ppl spend money
pure eco/commercial day,, there isnt anything sentimental here



Commercialism: That is always the driving force in all deviations. This is nothing new. Another old tradition is to think commercialized customs are benign and harmless.

Only one example I will present for those who will understand.

Quresh of makkah opposed Islam right at its birth. Islam meant end of their commercialized pagan practices. Manufacturing and trading of idols will not exist anymore, pilgrims will not be required to purchase their pilgrimage clothings from quresh at a premium and on and on...in short, end of monopoly on trade, commerce, and wealth accumulation in few hands and end of slavry...leading to justice, equal treatment, freedom, opportunity for all to prosper and be protected...


sd bhai,

what sort of commercialism in celebrating valentines day..

Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam says
WHAT WE CAN DO

Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam says
~Fragi~ said:

love ko express karna bura nahi

kisi khas din per bhi express karna bura nahi

Ijtimai taur per express karna b bura nahi

aur khas ker gifts dena b hargiz bura nahi

tu valentines day manana b bura nahi


haan per cheap harkatien karna,stupid kaam karna , kissi ko tung karna hargiz theek nahi



there is no Logic for celebrating valentines day.. for us, There Must be No logic... it doesnt belong to US...
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam said:

Smooth_daddy said:

Doctor Sam said:


... because it seems so attractive. It is like a chocolate quoted poison pill.
...and the generation before them is so blinded by the glare of its outlook. Oblivious of a blackhole behind it, they are throwing themselves in it at full speed. their kids follow their footsteps.

Nations that loose their true identity, loose their self-respect, dignity, freedom and themselves. In hunt for a new identity they become captivies of alien isms so they may be identified by that. Irony of it is, they will remain second class and their children will be enslaved - not necessarily in physical sense.



who is responsible....

i dont blame media... Its our elders, i think...

what do u think, sd bhai


exactly!!
read my line
...and the generation before them is so blinded by the glare of its outlook. Oblivious of a blackhole behind it, they are throwing themselves in it at full speed. their kids follow their footsteps.
Posted 13 Feb 2007

veer_zaara says
i dont belive in this day
2 years back on JEO AALIM ONLINE they said we dont have to follow it is haram i think
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam said:


sd bhai,

what sort of commercialism in celebrating valentines day..



all sorts of commercialism.
Don't people buy candies and chocolates on this ocassion and you might notice their prices shoot up.

Bakery products, flowers, cards, stuffed bears .... sell like anything. your right!! profiteers fill their coffers.
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Doctor Sam said:

WHAT WE CAN DO



hold your ground, resist temptations.
Posted 13 Feb 2007

Posted 13 Feb 2007

~Fragi~ said:

love ko express karna bura nahi

kisi khas din per bhi express karna bura nahi

Ijtimai taur per express karna b bura nahi

aur khas ker gifts dena b hargiz bura nahi

tu valentines day manana b bura nahi


haan per cheap harkatien karna,stupid kaam karna , kissi ko tung karna hargiz theek nahi



your right fragi, expressing your love to your spouse is not wrong. But it is wrong for people to show it to non-mehrams, if we are believers in its fullest sense.

Observence of this day encourages illicit relations and promotes indecency. Above all, it is part of christian renaissance - tracing roots to roman christian origin.
Posted 13 Feb 2007

sd..why showing love on 14th..364 days no love
Posted 14 Feb 2007

my question is, what are our roots, our identity, our heritage, our customs, I do not mean paki, I mean Muslim
Posted 14 Feb 2007

Barsaat says
veer_zaara said:

i dont belive in this day
2 years back on JEO AALIM ONLINE they said we dont have to follow it is haram i think



sis friends ko wish karna kaisay haram ho gaya?

yarrr kia na sab haath dho kar is din kay pichay parh jatay hain har saal

Shadiyon par MAHDNI MAIYON DAnce etc yah sab bi to hinduana rasmain hain...in par koi topic kion nahin banta??? shadiyan to sara saal hoti rahti hain.. lol

+ agar na-mahram ko valentine wish karna "ghalat" hay to kia waisay hi main FRIENDS ( chalain isi forum ko lay lain) yahan sab HUGS send kartay hain... "i love you" boltay hain etc... tab to yah bi usi line main ata hay na..or not? us tarha to PM main na-mahram say bat karna bi haram hay...msn par bi... kahin bi TANHAI main bat karna etc

islam main GIFTS dainay ko bola gaya hay...kay is say "PYAR BARHTA HAY"
so agar ham "fazol" things par APNAY liyay paisay kharch kar saktay hain to saal main aik din kisi ko gift day diya to mujhe to koi burai nahin nazar ati is main.

Main to manati hon...and manati rahongi... i love to give gifts , flowerz and cards 2 my dear sisterz.. and kuch nahin to WISH zaror karongi.






" Bat sirf itni hay kay KOI bi din ho, HAD main rah kar manao to koi burai nahin, but agar EID ko bi GHALAT tarikay say manao gey to is say EID HARAM nahin ho jaey gi,.. GHALTI AAP KI HOGI."


( uff mujhe neend a rahi hay )
Posted 14 Feb 2007

family main wish karna haram nahi hai...
Posted 14 Feb 2007

Fairl_Girl says
1 simple bat hai
jisko yeh day mana hai woh yahan bi manatay hai aur har jaga manaygay phir uske mazhab mai ho ya na ho jisko nahi manana woh kahi bi nahi manatay
Posted 14 Feb 2007

Fairl_Girl says
mohabat ka din hai to mohabat to hum kisi na kisi se kartay hi hai kam se kam mom dad to huwe
Posted 14 Feb 2007

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