Roadside Romeo:

Jewish lobby america mein itni mazbot hai ke uske ilawa uske pas koi chara nahe

True

...also because of christian religious extremism...fulfillment of biblical prophesy.

America chal hi Israel ki waja se raha hai

Rapunzel:

America chal hi Israel ki waja se raha hai

what do you mean by that?

I think you meant the otherway, right!

Smooth_daddy:

Rapunzel:

America chal hi Israel ki waja se raha hai

what do you mean by that?

Israel America ki pusht-panahi kar raha hai aj se nhi kafi saalon se ye sab master plans jo America banata hai usk peeche Israel ka haath aur imagh hota hai

That is absolutely ridiculous!

You may Israeli lobby or Jewish lobbies actively participate in forming US policies but Israel has a very little influence on US national politics.

Mind that Jewish intellectuals are heading or have reached very important positions in key institutions. They managed it after working extremely hard through education and having established a united effort. America is a country of opportunities for all people and it rewards hard working intelligent people. Muslims, especially Pakistanis have same opportunities but they are not taking advantage of that.

In short, israel doe not run US but it sure has influence on its government through its friends and sympathisers.

have u ever read javed chaudry's articles??nhi na i must say just read them & then argue about it.

Mr. Chaudhary has his own opinion and I have my own. I don't have to concur with him. I don't believe he has deep insight into US politics. I like his writings but I don't agree with him all the time.

America created Israel and has supported it since then.

Smooth_daddy:

That is absolutely ridiculous!You may Israeli lobby or Jewish lobbies actively participate in forming US policies but Israel has a very little influence on US national politics. Mind that Jewish intellectuals are heading or have reached very important positions in key institutions. They managed it after working extremely hard through education and having established a united effort. America is a country of opportunities for all people and it rewards hard working intelligent people. Muslims, especially Pakistanis have same opportunities but they are not taking advantage of that.In short, israel doe not run US but it sure has influence on its government through its friends and sympathisers.

u r right boss i agree with u
can u tell me if Obama says somthing wrong against israel , then he will be able to become a president for second term. u r right and am 100% agree with u that jewish intellectuals are on very hight postion even jews hve lot of influence on media too if somone say anything wrong against israel on tv u know un k sath journalist kiya karty hain cz majority of journalist are jews n they dnt c whether the guest is X president or khuch bhi khari khari suna daytay hain .


n no doubt america is a gr8 country ,n its a land of opportunity too

Smooth_daddy:

Roadside Romeo:

Jewish lobby america mein itni mazbot hai ke uske ilawa uske pas koi chara nahe

True ...also because of christian religious extremism...fulfillment of biblical prophesy.

everybody knows america is capitalist state n jews has lot of money too so pasia phank tamsha dekh lol .after Aipac the second strongest lobby is arabic cz un k pass bhi bht paisaa hai lol

^agree with u guyz

SFA, you know it cuz u liv here...anyone who has not lived in main stream US can not see fine lines its society, politics, and its systems.

Truly, jews run key institutions and a govt can not operate without these institutions. Yes they support Israeli cause and draw support from US policy and decision makers in favor of their ideologies. They were not given this status on silver platter. Infact, they faced much more aggression, hostility, discrimination, disgrace, and hatred in the first half of last century than what Muslims face today.

Their response was passive, long term but solidly grounded into education, having true pride in their religion, building bridges with their worst opponents, and establishing institutions (I mean true institutions of thought and intelligence). They targeted most critical positions and worked their hardest to reach their goals.

Next in line are Indians. Pakistan will face a tough time countering Indian lobby and their influence on Amercan policy making, 'cuz Pakis always react!

Muslims, particularly Pakis are busy in following trends set by US, Israel, and now India. They don't create institutions, or set trends, or introduce new developments, they are rather melting in this big pot and are getting consumed.

sd ntt 100% am 1000% agree with u

Thanks SFA!

We should blame none for whatever happens to us. We must take responsibility and work our bottom off to fix it. Lets quit living for luxuries if we care to see our children live with dignity and in prosperity.

If we don't change our approach now, in the next twenty five years, Pakistan will be faced with extremely difficult societal challenges. Sharp contrasts of very large majority living in extreme poverty and wealth accumulating in a few rich hands with almost non-esistant middle class will cause this down spiral and moral degradation in the society.

Lets forget about Israel or anyone else for the moment; its time to work on building a nation on solid grounds.

sd again am agree wid ur thoughts ,how can we change our ppl approach ? we always talk abt acchi baatin n jst know how to criticise on other ppl ,our govt ,society n khud khuch nahi karna . i think its time to contribution of everyone we have to set some solid practical examples .and ppl should think abt future of pakistan and come out from bollywood ( khawboon ki duniya)

SFA, I can thow a laundry list of things we can do. but again, I will suggest for the very least we quit corruption in any form. We declare personal war on corruption. We leave it all the way and then we don't condone any act of corruption be it of our loved ones or strangers.

Can we it?

yup we can it n such a nice idean i think sub say phely humain khud say fight karna ho gi we all know we belonge to the corrupt society humain har jaga corruption k sath dayna parta hai banks mai electricity ki line say lay kar har har kisam k mamlat zindgi mai humain fight karna ho gi har kaam without corruptions karian .i know its difficult kehna asan karna muskil but lets try hum kahan tak ja saktay hain is ko end karnay mai

n let me add one thing everybody is educated and responsible here we can change pakistan into new pakistan n our first enemy is corruptions so lets distroy it

n i want is topic mai zaida say zaida members ayan talk abt corruptions how can we stop it

You may gain a little more support if you start a topic on this subject in FOS.

you'r right about that. Its easier said than done.
For us living outside of Pakistan, it really does not apply in the context of Pakistan. Though, I see many desis practise their customs of corruption here in US whenever they can. They look for backdoors and shortcuts in whenever they can.

If you want to see effects of it, closely observe functions and administrations of local masjids. You will see sign of corruption there.

Shahrukh Khan:

baatien tu endless hoon gey par kuch action bhi liya jaye na

listen aub hum sub yah responsibility layan gayy tou hum pakistan ,apni society,n apni next generations k liya khuch accha kar sakian gayy yahan ager koi member a k sirf muft ki shahbashi laynay k liya bari bari baatian KARY tou us k liya khud shame ki baat hai n ya ek zulam aur jhoot hai APNAY ap say bhi n apni new generation ,nation and country k sath bhi . and i am sure yahan sub k sub responsible hain . u tell us wot do ya think abt corruption and is ko kis thran door karna chiyah share ur views then we talk abt k is k implimention kiss tharn hoo ok

Let's make a commitment with ourself that we won't lie in our life no matter what happens. Let this be the begining of our war on corruption.