WARMTH OF LOVE:

in Surat an-Nisa, it is related that Jesus (as) was not killed but raised to the presence of Allah. The related verse follows:
And (on account of) their saying, "We killed the Messiah, ‘Isa son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat an-Nisa: 157-158)

see, i am not syaing k Jesus (PBUH) was crucified..naah...Allah saved him offcourse...he then migrated somewhere else...and like Allah says in Quran, "Allah raised him up to Himself", it could also mean k Allah raised Jesus (PBUH) to himself as in Jesus died natural death and WAS not killer/crusified by his opposition See, Quranic words r such that if they make sense...we take them word by word...if they seem something different...we can't just take them word by word, but we have to go deep and see what is God saying here...and it makes more sense k God means I gave natural death to Jesus (PBUH)...(as Quran also mentions everyone livinh being will taste death...which makes sense) then the thoery that Jesus (PBUH) was raised physically (which does not makes sense as many things go against this theory)

WARMTH OF LOVE:

From the Qur'an again, we understand that "taking the self back" does not necessarily mean death.

offcourse it doesn;t, but what makes more sense, death or sleep? plus, in quran, it's used more as in death then sleep

quranic fact:

Laws of Allah has been in operation from before (48:23)

if Jesus (pbuh) is alive:

He has defied the law and put the verse in contradiction

quranic fact:

All Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) passed away (3:143)

if Jesus (pbuh) is alive:

This is a serious contradiction

quranic fact:

Allah will first cause Jesus'(pbuh) death and then raise him (3:54)

if Jesus (pbuh) is alive:

How did he get raised before his death?

quranic fact:

Whomsoever Allah grants long life - He reverts them to worst age and the person forgets all the knowledge (16:70)

if Jesus (pbuh) is alive:

According to this, by now Jesus(pbuh) has no knowledge of anything at all.

quranic fact:

All Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) are no more abiding - or alive (21:8)

if Jesus (pbuh) is alive:

This verse is in serious contradiction.

last but not least, not only muslims, but christians, hindus etc all r waiting for a promised individual to come in late days, in case of muslims, it;s mehdi, in case of christians, it;s jesus, etc etc

Shahenshah:

quranic fact:

All Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) are no more abiding - or alive (21:8)

if Jesus (pbuh) is alive:

This verse is in serious contradiction.

There is a lil explainatin abt this ...
Qur'an is very true

dat "All Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) are no more abiding - or alive (21:8)"

but again for urs help

i would tell you dat ... Jesus (PBUH) will be back not as Prophet. ( coz Allah Has told us k our Prophet MUHAMMAD (PBUH) is the Last Prophet and i'm sure there's no doubt abt it)

so My brother ... Jesus (PBUH) will be back but not as PROPHET but as the Preacher of ISLAM and most of it ... as the Part of the Community (UMMAH) of Hazrat MUHAMMAD (PBUH). )   

Shahenshah:

(as Quran also mentions everyone livinh being will taste death...which makes sense) then the thoery that Jesus (PBUH) was raised physically (which does not makes sense as many things go against this theory)

yeah u r again on truth ... coz as God's saying in Qur'an "everyone livinh being will taste death"

as this quote is drived from Qur'an so there's no doubt in it at all.

but be4 going to explain this ... i must ask you to revise what we'd discussed be4.

and be4 taking ya to old refrences ...

jus tell me

In this era do you suppose a Human can live 1000 years with good health ? (normally)

my answer is "naaah"

but as we've blv on ASHAAB_E_KAYEEF.

(chk out mine and smooth daddy's posts)

and lemme give u a one more idea ...

do you know wht is called "Hibernation"

so there are a lot of mysteries you can't solve them

like ... can you figure out is there any hole in Sky ?

you've done great in Medical can you suggest any human k they would be living for so many years.

wht is the exect date of his /her DEATH.

naah ..

as Alama Iqbal mentioned in his verses


ACHA HAY DIL K PASS RAHY PASBAAN-E-AQAL
LEKIN KABHI KABHI ISY TANHAA BHI CHOAR DY

in da same we we used to say a "SHAHEED" zinda hota hy lekin hum ko us ki zindagi ka idrak nahi hota.... true.

so there are a lot of refrences you can't judge Allah's HIKMAT ......


"MASHIYAAAT_E_AYEZDI"

now get bk to point ....

Jesus (PBUH) didn't die .... and Allah will send him back and he'll complete his Physical AGE and then He (PBUH) will be died.

and one more thing 4 u ...

k un ki QABAR_AQDAS .... Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) k Rozaa_e_Mubarak par bany gie....

well i didnt read aaaaaaaallllllllllllllll posts
sab kuch mix up ho raha hai,,, my little brain needs more time to understand it

admii ji and sd


Islam mei harr baat ki logic hoti hai,, but miracles does exist,, mojza and karamat se to koi bhi muslim inkar nahi kar sakta
hazrat Eesa is not immortal,, sirf itna k he s not dead yet
resurection of st lazar did happen,, beshak iss ki koi logic nahi hai,,,, Hazrat Moses k mojze,, same with Nabi Paak,,
iss sab ka maksad sirf yeh zahir karna hota hai k ye poori univers aik khaas tareeke pe chal rahi hai,, par iss sab ko chalane wala jo chahe jab chahe kar sakta hai
but obviously harrr aik baat ko mojza samajh lena bhi galt hai

Allah miyan sahi aur galat mei fark karne ki taufeek dein sab ko

...and how many humans do we know who have been hibernating? why Jesus (PBUH)

WARMTH OF LOVE:

There is a lil explainatin abt this ...
Qur'an is very true

dat "All Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) are no more abiding - or alive (21:8)"

but again for urs help

i would tell you dat ... Jesus (PBUH) will be back not as Prophet. ( coz Allah Has told us k our Prophet MUHAMMAD (PBUH) is the Last Prophet and i'm sure there's no doubt abt it)

baat Jesus (PBUH) ke coming back as prophet or not ke nahi ho rahi...baat ye hae k Quran says k Nabi Kareem (PBUH) se pehlay sab prophets have died....and Jesus (PBUH) was prophet BEFORE nabi kareem (PBUH)...so obviously wo bhi died

anyways...ye to sab ke apni apni soch hae how they intreprate quran..i can be wrong, u can be wrong, we both can be wrong...

science does explain how hibernation works

Shahenshah:

anyways...ye to sab ke apni apni soch hae how they intreprate quran..i can be wrong, u can be wrong, we both can be wrong...

there you go Bazi! you just hit the bulls eye!

Your or my or anyone's opinion is subject to rejection without any accountability. Word of allah and His messenger are however absolute and indelible. That's why Quranic explanations are not mere perosnal intreptations (at least the true ones).

Thus basic rule of tafseer (interpretation) of Quran is the interpretation of Prophet SAW of the Quran. All true Tafsir are based on that. Also People whom he SAW authorized to explain Quran did so and their explations have been recorded as such. Tafasir void of such references are rendered as unauthentic and unreliable. It is a complete authentication and approval process - "Scientific".

Speaking of science, tafseer of Quran, hadith and its collection is a science of its own. It is a process that is methodological and consistent by all scientific requirements and far more superior than any biblical collections ever.

For some odd reason, Mulsims attribute any or all Islamic works to non-sophisticated, non-scientific work of bunch of ignorant people who knew nothing better

Shahenshah:

...and how many humans do we know who have been hibernating? why Jesus (PBUH)

how many people do we know were born from virgin mother?
Better yet! How many people do we know were born without any parents?
Best yet! How many do we know were born out of man?

shahrukh khan:

Shahenshah:

anyways...ye to sab ke apni apni soch hae how they intreprate quran..i can be wrong, u can be wrong, we both can be wrong...

quran se baat li hai..

i meant k quran jo kehta hae...maybe i think what it says in different way and u think different...maybe the way i think i am right...maybe the way u think u r right...ya maybe we both fail to understand what it;s saying...Quran is definatly right...but how we take it...could be right...could be wrong...ye hamari kamzoori hae...Quran offcourse ir perfect book

Smooth_daddy:

Shahenshah:

...and how many humans do we know who have been hibernating? why Jesus (PBUH)

how many people do we know were born from virgin mother?
Better yet! How many people do we know were born without any parents?
Best yet! How many do we know were born out of man?

even though es ka answer bhi hae mere pas but it would start another useless debate so i'll pass it

shahrukh khan:

jee nahi quran main jo likha hai sahi hai..i dont take it wrong..neither any muslim...

Quran mae jo likha hae wo bilkul theek hae..mae ne kab kaha ghalat hae...per us ka matlab kya hae? ye who knows...hum to apni akal ke hisab se us ka matlab nikaltay hian jo theek bhi ho sakta hae aur ghalat bhi...aur jo bhi us ko samjhay ga jis tarah se wo us ko theek he kahay ga..per ghalat bhi samajh sakta hae...like i said..mae kehta hoon meri samajh mae to ye baat es tarah ati hae...aur ye theek hae, BUT again..i could be wrong too...

for example...in Quran God says,

Some of them listen to you, but we place veils on their hearts to prevent them from understanding, and deafness in their ears. [6:25]

...now tell me this...if i take Quran literally...then Khuda ne kafirs ke diloon per sachi muchi ke lataknay walay parday dalay hoye hian? aur un ke kanoon ko hakeekat mae behra kya hoa hae k un ko koi awaz nahi ati?

no, it means k diloon par parda dala hoa hae meaning dil buraiyoon mae itnay dhakay hoye hian k theek baat samajh nahi ati aur kanoon se deaf nahi hain balkay theek ya sachi baat jo kahi jai wo suntay he nahi hain...that's what i think when i read this ayat

but the way u r saying k quran ke har baat ko jis tarah likhi hae uss tarah lo to phir khuda ne kis rang ke parday dalay hoye hain un logon ke diloon per? aur jab khuda ne un ko kanoon se deaf kya hoa hae to wo becharay apki bat kis tarah sunen ge in first place?

now mae mazaq uranay ke koshish nahi ker raha balkay ek example de raha hoon...k literally matlab lene se to es tarah ke matlab bantay hain...

anyways..mae ne pehlay bhi kaha tha k sab Quran aur hadees ko apni apni samajh ke hisab se samajhtay hain...ap ne mujhay apna point bataya..mae ne apko apna point bataya...es mae jhagray ke kya baat hae hamara aur apka hisab to Khuda ne kerna hae...

Shahenshah:

Smooth_daddy:

Shahenshah:

...and how many humans do we know who have been hibernating? why Jesus (PBUH)

how many people do we know were born from virgin mother?
Better yet! How many people do we know were born without any parents?
Best yet! How many do we know were born out of man?

even though es ka answer bhi hae mere pas but it would start another useless debate so i'll pass it

Well, you missed the point - miracles are not usual things that happen in daily life. Birth of Jesus AS was a miracle and so were that of Adam AS and Hawa AS for which there's no other explanation. Jesus's return to Allah is another miracle. We don't know answers to how and why?

Assalam o Alaikum,

It is miserable that nobody could give a satisfactory answer to the original question, that is, these ayah contrdict our belief on the life of Hazart Masih. I will try to explain these ayah one by one, and show you the TEHREEFAAT the rejectors of Hayat-e-Masih has made in the interpretation of these ayah, InshaAllah.

1)

Your translation: "And Muhammad is but a messenger. Verily all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he dies or is slain, will you turn back on your heels?"

You tranlate this aya as "... all messengers has passed away (i.e. died) before him...". Instead of saying ‘passed’ you said 'passed away' (i.e. died). You say that while all the Prophets before Hazrat Muhammad SallAllah-o-Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam have died, so Christ has also died.

Where in any arabic dictionary "khalat" or "khalo" has been translated as "death" or "to die"? It is absolutely wrong to translate it as "death". If it means death, then how should you translate:


Is it "this is the sunnah of Allah that died (or ended) befofe you"? If you translate it as this the next part of this ayah falsify your translation as:


that is, "you will not find any change in the sunnah of Allah". Allah's sunnah does not change, die or become non-existant. So "khalat" does not mean death. Here it means "rehna", "chalay ana". Its translation is "yahi Allah ki sunnat rahi hai (ya chali aa rahi hai) tum say pehlay say".

Similarly, means "koi ummat nahi magar is main daranay wala huwa ho ya bheja gaya ho", means "tum say pehlay bhi kai dastoor hotay rahay hain", means "hotay rahay hain un say pehlay bhi rasool".

At another place Allah says:


Does here khalat mean that all the nations before him has died and vanished from the face of the earth? Absolutely not! yahood o nasara were present. Allah Himself mentioned the by saying ahle kitab, ahle injeel and ahle tourat.

It seems reasonable to mention here that rejectors of the life of Hazrat Masih do beleive in the life of Hazrat Mosa and say that he is alive in heavens (Noor ul Haq, Rohani khazain, vol 8, page 69):


Now they excluded Hazrat mosa from their interpretation "Verily all Messengers have passed away before him". If Mosa could be excluded then why not Masih? It is a clear example of their 'dajl' and 'faraib'.