nikammmmma

i always beleived wots wrong cant b part of Islam
dekhna pare ga,, kuch dhoondna pare ga
can u help ??

i dont have time

well un ko bewi banana ya azad kernain ka hukam haii na kay relationship kayam kernain ka
main nain ajj tuk asa nahii suna
sorry to say abb dobara read karain QURAN KO

heart_hacker:

well un ko bewi banana ya azad kernain ka hukam haii na kay relationship kayam kernain ka
main nain ajj tuk asa nahii suna
sorry to say abb dobara read karain QURAN KO

ager azad kerne ka HUKAM hota to Hazrat Ali (RA),Hazrat Amir Muavia,Hazrat Usman ye sab ap se bare musalman the inhon ne apni londian azad kyun nahin ki.

sorry to say,QURAN parha ap ne bhi nahin he,can u give any reference from QURAN in support of what u said

To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves. Here are some relevant verses
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
23:5 -   "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them.The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions (24:33). [90:10 'freeing of a bondsman' refers to Muslims ransoming other Muslims who were slaves of non-Muslims.]
The above verses show that taking slaves was ordained by Allah, and that it was permissible for Muslim males to have sex with their female slaves. It also shows that slaves were a valuable commodity to the Muslims, otherwise, Allah would not have imposed the penalty of freeing a slave to make up for a crime.
these were the references from QURAN,now i give u some references from SAHI BUKHARI the most authentic book of AHADITH.Vol. 5-#459 [This Hadith is similar to the above. However, additional details are added]. Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: "I entered the mosque and saw Abu Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu said, "We went out with Allah's messenger for the Ghazwa (attack upon) Banu Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus we said "How can we do coitus interruptus without asking Allah's messenger while he is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.""
Vol. 3-#765
Narrated Kuraib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."
Vol. 5-#637     Narrated Buraida: The prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus ([one fifth] of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?" When we reached the prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes" He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumus."
The note for this Hadith says "Buraida hated Ali because he had taken a slave girl form the booty and considered that as something not good."
there is also a difference of opinion among muslim historians over the status ofUM-UL-MOMINEEN HAZRAT MARYA QABTIA,some say Holy Prophet had married her,while others say that she was a slave of HolyProphet.now if u have anything to say u r welcome

well ALLAH KA SHUKER HAII MAIN NAIN PARHA HAII
ASII LEAY APP KO BATAYA HAII KAY KANEEZ KO AZAAD KERNA CHAHOO TO THEEK OTHERSWISE UN KAY MALIK KI MARZI

MAIN APP KO BATA DOON GA.

heart_hacker:

well ALLAH KA SHUKER HAII MAIN NAIN PARHA HAII
ASII LEAY APP KO BATAYA HAII KAY KANEEZ KO AZAAD KERNA CHAHOO TO THEEK OTHERSWISE UN KAY MALIK KI MARZI

MAIN APP KO BATA DOON GA.

and what about the relationship with slave girls

asii koyii baat nahii
app nain galat suna haii

kya ooper jo QURANIC VERSES aur AHADITH main ne quote ki hain vo ap ne nahin parhin

nikama:

23:5 -   "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them.The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions

nikamma aap ki pehle post parh k yeh wali ayat mere zehn mei bhi i thi,, as i always wondered "dont not force into prostitution" se yeh matlab k marzi se jai'z hai ???

thnx for ur post,, par dil nahi manta,,,, ayaat ya hadees pe koi shak nahi hai par shayad thori explanation ki zaroorat hai
i ll try to find more




HH
im not saying k aap nikama ki baat aankhein band kar k maan lo par aankhein band kar k inkar karna bhi galt hai
read his post and try to find out the truth,, k inn ayat ka matlab akhir kya hai

nikama:

33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
in my Quran pak its translated as
"........aur jinn ka malik hua hai dahna haath tera"
wot does it mean ????

23:5 -   "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them.
here its translated again as "jin k malik hue hein dahene haath inn k.."

The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34) --> 24:33
its in surah Noor,, me ne abhi tafseer k saath dekha hai, its said "...bara wabal hai chahe woh khush hon chahe na-khush,, na-khushi per aur zyada wabal hai aur woh maal sab napaak hai,, na-khushi mei laundi be-gunah hai"

and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24)
a little confusion in surah Nisa,,,
par mujhe iss se aik baat samajh i hai,, when it says "made lawful to u" iss ka matlab k muslim men are allowed to marry.......

as long as it concerns other ref,, i cant say anything coz mere paas inn mei se koi book nahi hai :(

badal or sd
helllppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp !!!

jeee to app nain kaneez kay bary main poocha jeee un kay sath relationship allow tha.
Quran main sirf shadi ya un ko azaad ker daynain ka hukam haii

Chapter Five

Slavery in Islam

All the ancient as well as the contemporary scholars acknowledge the fact of slavery in Islam and clarify the status of slaves. I have chosen the opinions of the most famous scholars to shed light on their position.

The Scholars of al-Azhar in Egypt

In his book, "You Ask and Islam Answers", Dr. 'Abdul-Latif Mushtahari, the general supervisor and director of homiletics and guidance at the Azhar University, says (pp. 51,52),

"Islam does not prohibit slavery but retains it for two reasons. The first reason is war (whether it is a civil war or a foreign war in which the captive is either killed or enslaved) provided that the war is not between Muslims against each other - it is not acceptable to enslave the violators, or the offenders, if they are Muslims. Only non-Muslim captives may be enslaved or killed. The second reason is the sexual propagation of slaves which would generate more slaves for their owner."

The text is plain that all prisoners of war must either be killed or become slaves. The ancient scholars are in full agreement over this issue, such as Ibn Timiyya, Ibn Hisham, Malik etc. Ibn Timiyya says (Vol. 32, p. 89),

"The root of the beginning of slavery is prisoners of war; the bounties have become lawful to the nation of Muhammad."

Then (Vol. 31, p. 380), he indicates clearly

"Slavery is justified because of the war itself; however, it is not permissible to enslave a free Muslim. It is lawful to kill the infidel or to enslave him, and it also makes it lawful to take his offspring into captivity.

In Part 4, p. 177 of the "Prophet Biography" (Al-Road Al-Anf'), Ibn Hisham says,

"According to Islamic law concerning prisoners of war, the decision is left to the Muslim Imam. He has the choice either to kill them or to exchange them for Muslim captives, or to enslave them. This is in regard to men, but women and children are not permitted to be killed, but must be exchanged (to redeem Muslim captives) or enslaved - take them as slaves and maids."



On Matters Of Sex And Marriage -

1. The Slave cannot choose for himself.

This was confirmed by all the Muslim scholars on the authority of Muhammad. In Vol. 6, Part 9, p. 467, Ibn Hazm said,

"If a slave gets married without the permission of his master, his marriage will be invalid and he must be whipped because he has committed adultery. He must be separated from his wife. She is also regarded as an adulteress because Muhammad said, `Any slave who gets married without the approval of his master is a prostitute.'"

The same text is quoted by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya (Part 5, p. 117 of "Zad al-Maad"), as well as Ibn Timiyya (Vol. 32, p. 201). Malik Ibn Anas relates (Vol. 2, Part 4) more than that. He says (pp. 199, 201, 206),

"The slave does not get married without the approval of his master. If he is a slave to two masters, he has to obtain the approval of both men."



2. The male slave and the female slave are forced to get married.

Malik Ibn Anas says explicitly,

"The master has the right to force his male or female slave to marry without obtaining their approval" (Vol. 2, p. 155).

Ibn Hazm says that Sufyan al-Thawri, too, has said that the master has the right to force his male or female slave to marry without securing their approval (Vol. 6, Part 9, p. 469). Ibn Timiyya is of the same opinion.

I must not fail in this regard to mention that Malik Ibn Ons, who (after agreeing with the other scholars that the master has the right to force his male or female slave to get married) added,

"The master does not have the right to force the female slave to wed to an ugly black slave if she is beautiful and agile unless in case of utmost necessity" (refer to Ibn Hazm, Vol. 6, Part 9, p. 469).

3. The Arab freeman does not marry a slave unless it is inevitable:

In Vol. 31, p. 383, Ibn Timiyya says,

"It is not permissible for the Arab freeman to marry an owned slave unless it is inevitable, such as being unable to get married to a free woman. If it happened and he were wed to a slave, her children would be slaves, too, because they follow (the status) of the mother in slavery."

Malik Ibn Anas notes,

"It is not allowable for a man to wed a slave besides his freewoman wife. In this case, his wife has the right to divorce him. Likewise, if he marries a freewoman while he is already married to a slave and he fails to tell her so, the freewoman has the right to leave him" (Malik, Vol. 2, p. 204).

What Would Happen If A Freewoman Married Her Slave?

Let us see the reaction of Umar Ibn Khattab in these situations. In Vol. 8, Part 11, pp. 248, 249, Ibn Hazm remarks,

"A woman was wed to her male slave. Umar intended to stone her, but instead he made them separate and sent the slave to exile. He told the woman, `It is unlawful for you to get married to your owned slave!' Another woman got married to her slave. Umar scourged her with a whip and forbade any man to marry her. Another time, a freewoman came to Umar and told him, `I am not a pretty woman and I have a slave to whom I would like to get married.' Umar refused to do so. He whipped the slave and ordered him to be sold in a foreign country. He told the woman, `It is unlawful for you to get married to what your right hand owns. Only men have the right to get wed to what their right hand owns. Even if you set him free in order to marry him and he becomes a freeman, the manumission will be invalid and the marriage is not valid."'

In matters of sex and marriage, Ibn Timiyya states:

"The one who owns the mother also owns her children. Being the master of the mother makes him the owner of her children whether they were born to a husband or they were illegitimate children. Therefore, the master has the right to have sexual intercourse with the daughters of his maid-slave because they are his property, provided he does not sleep with the mother at the same time" (Vol. 35, p. 54).

my opinion is that we should never try to justify our faith on the basis of modern values and/or science etc.islam does not need any justification,ager ALLAH aur US k RASOOL s.a.w.s ne slavery ko aur female slaves k saath relationship ko jaiz kaha he to,we need not be apologetic about it.human values are bound to change,some 1500 years ago whole world considered it normal to keep slaves now we dont,but who knows after a couple of centuries our values take a u-turn once again.ager koi cheez badalne vaali nahin he to vo ALLAH ka deen he.vo jaisa bhi he hamain us ko as it is qabool kerna pare ga.vo log jo western values se mutasir hain aur un ko deen k bare main maloomat bhi na hone k baraber hain,vo aisa hi kehte hain jaisa k yahan kaha ja raha he,main na manoon RASOOL-E-PAK S.A.W.S ne farmaya tha,jab dajjal nazil ho to tum koshish ker k us se bachna kyunke bohat se log jab us se milain gay to momin hon gay aur jab mil ker vapis aaian gay to kafir ho chuke hon gay.why?is liay k jo bhi deen ko aqal aur mantak k sahare manta he,anti-christ k paas us ki her baat ka jawab ho ga.ISLAM KO BAGHER DALEEL AUR LOGIC K MANEIN,KYUNKE HER LOGIC CHANGE HO SAKTI HE,HER DALEEL KA TOR HO SAKTA HE,BUT ALLAH KA DEEN JAISA HE VAISA HI RAHE GA

i beleive Quran pak hidayat ki kitab hai,,, and Islam is not bound to a specific region, nation or country or to an era,,
hidayat is not limited in space or time

jo cheez sahi ya galt kahi gai hai,, means jo "ehkam" hein woh hamesha aise hi rahein ge,, wakt ya jaga unn mei koi tabdeeli nahi la sakte,,, jo haram hai woh haram rahe ga aur jo halal hai woh halal rahe ga

baki kuch cheezein jo "ehkam" nahi hein woh wakt aur jaga k saath change ki ja sakti hein


ehkam k peeche hamesha aik mantak hoti hai aik reason hota hai,, its always justified
uss justification ko me ya aap na maanein yeh aik alag baat hai
par ehkam ka taluk insan se hai aur insan ko Allah ne dil bhi diya hai aur akal bhi,, aur dono ko istemal karne ka hukum bhi

im not saying k yeh sab jo aap ne upper likha yeh galt hai,,, sirf itna k isse samajhna mere bass mei filhal nahi hai,, me iss ka inkar nahi kar rahi par filhal ikrar bhi nahi kar sakti
universal values never change,,, jo pehle Nabi the woh bhi yehi sabaq sikhate the aur jo akhri Nabi hein woh bhi,,

now one thing,,, we all know abt Zaid bin haris
jo Nabi paak k gulam the aur jinhein Nabi pak ne apna beta banaya hua tha
Huzoor ne apni marzi se unn ki shadi apni cousin (phopo ki beti) hazrat Zainab se ki thi,, how can u say gulam ki shadi "ashraf" se nahi ho sakti ????
woh shadi nahi chali coz hazrat Zainab ki tabiyat aik 'ghulam' k saath rehne pe amada nahi hui and then after divorce Nabi pak ne unn se nikah kiya,,,
(i ve read zahiri nikah nahi kiya tha, coz Nabi k liya aur sirf Nabi k Allah ka hukum hi bohot hai)
(surah Ehzab)


kabeera gunah mei aik gunah zina ka bhi kehlata hai,, and zina is extra marital relation
can u imagine the consequence of all these illigitime kaneez and their children,, aisa hota hai aur hota aaya hai doesnt mean k aisa hona chaiye

a master has right on his slaves,, jsut as an empror has right on his country,, but abusing of these rights...........

(me aap ko galt nahi keh rahi coz i know aap ne yeh ref kahin se liye hein,,, but still....... Quran k ilawa koi kitab harf e akhir nahi hai)


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