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ISLAM, QADIANISM AND SHIAISM

The existence of numerous sects - each one claiming to be rightly guided - is a predetermined fact which the Noble Qur'an makes reference to. Allah Ta'ala declares, 'And if your Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind a single unified group, but they will continue to dispute and differ' (Hud 118).

Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, 'Verily this nation (of Muslims) will be divided into seventy three sects. All of them would be in the fire except one.' When asked which one, he replied, 'The one that adheres to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of my companions.' (Abu Dawood).

This brief article, details some of the fundamental differences between Muslims, Qadianis and the Shiites. It is hoped that the reference below will highlight some of the deviant beliefs of both the Shiites and the Qadianis.

STATUS OF THE QUR'AN
Islam
The Qur'an in its present form is authentic, complete and protected from any distortions upto the day of Qiyaamat.

Qadianism
Verses pertaining to Jihaad have been abrogated by the Wahy revealed to Ghulam Ahmad. He has in addition to the Qur'an, received Wahy, which is as important as the Qur'an.(Astugfirullah)

Shiaim
The Qur'an is incomplete and distorted. The original Qur'an had 17,000 verses. Hence 2/3 of the Qur'an is missing. The original Qur'an, compiled by Hadhrat Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) would be brought back by Imaam Mahdi.(Astugfirullah)

FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD
Islam
Nabi Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was the final Nabi, through whom Islam gained completion and through whom prophethood was sealed and Wahy (revelation) ended.

Qadianism
The Prophet had been sent twice to the world. The first time he appeared in Makkah, in the form of Muhammad and the second time in Qadian in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. (Astugfirullah)

Shiaim
The Imaam is a successor to the Nabi appointed by God. He is infallible and excels all Prophets, besides Nabi Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) in dignity. They possess the knowledge of the past and the future. They possess authority of death. They are divinely protected against error.(Astugfirullah)

THE KALIMA
Islam
There is no object of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

Qadianism
The same Kalimah as the Muslims, except that Muhammad in the Kalimah refers to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.(Astugfirullah)

Shiaism
Same Kalimah with the following addition: 'Salvation is only attained by granting allegiance to Ahlul Bayt (the immediate household of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and by disowning their enemies i.e. Abu Bakr, Uthmaan and Umar and all non-Shias).(Astugfirullah)

PILLARS OF ISLAM
Islam
Imaan, Salaat, Zakaat, Sawm and Hajj

Qadianism
Obedience to Allah, obedience to English government.

Shia
Salaat, Sawm, Hajj, Zakaat, Khums - 20% tax on profits, Jihaad, enjoining good, preventing evil, Love for the godly ones and hatred for the evil ones i.e. the Sahaaba.

STATUS OF SAHAABA
Islam
The companions of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) have been praised by Allah Ta'ala Himself in the Noble Qur'an. It is therefore not permissible to criticise them or undermine their integrity.

Qadianism
'The companions ate cheese from the Christians, although it was well known that it contained pigs, fat'. Faatima (Radhiallaahu Anhu) appeared to Ghulam Ahmad in a revealed state.(Astugfirullah)

Shiaim
All the companions became Kaafir except the immediate household of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and three other Sahaaba after his demise. Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) is considered by some as a vicegerent, others regard him as a prophet, whilst another group regard him as god.(Astugfirullah)

GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI
CLAIMS IN CHRONOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVES

1870: His first public appearance as a preacher and defender of Islam.
1880 - 1884: He wrote Baraahin-e-Ahmadiyya - four volumes
1890: He claimed 'I am the replica of Jesus.'
1892: 'Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was the final prophet. I do not lay claim to prophethood. I am the son of Mary.'
1893: 'God speaks to me and gives guidance for reforms'
1894: 'Jesus was a liar and his grandmother was a whore.'
1899: 'I am a Nabi but in an indirect sense.' (Shadow of Nabi)
1900: August 7th - an Imaam in his Jumuah Khutbah called him a Nabi and Rasool.
1902: He declared: 'I am superior to all prophets including Muhammad'. 'One who does not believe in me is a Kaafir.' 'The Qur'an and my words are from Allah.'(Astugfirullah)
1904: He declared 'I am god and Lord also Krishna'
1908: Mirza was struck by Cholera and slipped into a comma on May 25 and died in the next day. He was buried at Qadiyaani.

SOME STRANGE SHIITE BELIEFS
The wives of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)
The Shiite's bear the same enmity and malice for the wives of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), as they bear against the Sahaaba. They are frequently referred to as hypocrites and infidels.

Kitmaan and Taqiyya (Holy Hypocrisy)
Among the fundamental teachings are kitmaan and taqiyya (to conceal one's real faith and belief). Imaam Jaafar Sadiq is purpoted to have said to Sulaymaan bin Khalid, 'O Sulaymaan! You follow a religion that whoever will conceal, God will bestow honour on him and whoever will reveal it and publicise it, he will be disgraced by God.' He further states, 'Among ten parts of religion, nine lie in Taqiyya. He who does not observe taqiyya is devoid of faith.'

MUT'A: Temporary marriage(Astugfirullah)
A 'Hadith' attributed to Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) reads, 'Whosoever does Mut'a once reaches the rank of Imaam Husian, whoever does it twice reaches the rank of Imaam Hassan, whoever does it thrice reaches the rank of Hadhrat Ali and whoever does it four times attains my rank.(Astugfirullah)

Another purported 'Hadith' states, 'Anyone doing Mut'a with a believing woman is like one who has made the journey to the Ka'abah 70 times.'

Khomeini's view regarding prophethood, 'Every prophet came to establish justice on earth. His aim was to establish justice but he was not successful. The same is the position of the seal of prophets who came to reform human society and establish justice but he failed during his lifetime.' (Ittihatwa-yakjihati).

He further states, 'It is a necessary principle of our faith that our Imaam have ranks that exceed those of close angels and the appointed messengers.' (Al-Hukmatul Islaamiyyah).

May Allah Ta'ala protect our Imaan and save us from being part of the deviant groups, Aameen.

Jamiatul Ulama (Transvaal)

Posted 27 Aug 2003
djeedja lotta says
SALL said:

may i say something,, plz dont take it wrong,, but according to my vv limited knowledge
muslim hone liye kalima parhna kafi nahi hota (and its true for those aswell who call theirselves sunni, shia, ehl e hadees, etc)
Allah ki wahdaniyat
Rusool e pak (saw) ka akhri nabi hona
Quran pak k aik aik lafz ko sach samajhna
+ amaal
jab base hi nahi to agay ki kya sochein......



hmmm yes i have to confess, that ur knowledge is limited. hehe
as i know, jo nabi the aNhazra Mohammad (saws), unn ka yehi kehna tha ke kalima parrhna buhat hai. aaj kal ke musalman kya kehte hain, i dont care. and Prophet Mohammad (saws) never told, that u have to believe, that He (saws) is the last prophet. so aap ka mazhab koi aur lagta hai, yeh base sach much nahi hai hamare darmiyan.

to other things. well u may end the discussion whenever u want. no problem. magar iss tarah to nahi na ke aakhri lafz bola as a dictator and maiN jaarahi huN.

yeh jo ayet ka aap ne matlab bataya hai ke Allah aur rasool ki itaat karne se hamm siraf aise logon ke saath honge na ke unn me se ya unn jaisay. janab, dont u think ke yeh to sarasar unlogic baat hai ke aik to itaat karo aur phir darja bhi koi na mile, siraf aise logon ke saath bitha diya jaaye. yeh konsa level hai? yeh konsi barri baat hui phir? goya aNhazrat (saws) ki itaat karne se hamen aisa koi darja nahi milega balke aisa darja jinn ko mill chuka hai aise logoN ke saath bitha diya jaayega, aur kuch nai. yeh Allah ki aur uss ke rasool ki shaan ke khilaf interpretation hai, agar kehne ki ijazat ho. phir to main poochne ka haqq rakhta hun ke islam se kya paaya? siraf ooonche oonche logoN ke saath chalna phirna? baithna? khana khana? magar waisay na bann pana?

wilayat ka aur nabuwwat ka maloom to hai. magar logic samajh nahi aayi. yeh baat to aap ko quran me se dikhani hogi. ya hadis me se. khali kehne se maiN to nahi man ne wala. iss tarah to main bhi kuch bhi keh sakta hun. just give some arguments, please. hazrat Ali (ra) is called khatamul auliya, too. but why nobody aplies here to say, that he was the last wali? its a very famous hadis. so do some researche, too.

yaar dont be dictator like something. be fair.
we believe that Allah is just one.
we believe, that Mohammad is "khatamun nabiyyeen" (but not the last one)
we believe that every word of quran is true
and i do good amal as good as i can myself.

ab aap masiha ke aane wali quran ki nishaniyaN to bataye zara. saari ham ne to dekh li hain, shayed aap ko dikha paayeN.
SALL said:

but yeh to Quran pak mei bhi likha hai that He s no dead and he ll come back as messiha

hmmm kahaN? itni baar quran parrha, baar baar ghaur kiya, mujhe nazar nahi aaya. aap dikha deejiye, please.   
Posted 10 May 2005
Cute_gal says
djeedja lotta said:

@cute gal
"la ilaha illallah, muhammad ur rasool ullah"
there is no worthy of worship axcept Allah, Muhammad is his prophet.
Ahmadi-Muslims believe that Mohammad (saws) was Khatamun nabiyyeen. but they dont believe, that he(saws) was the last prophet. "khatim" mustnt mean last as "arabic word "sharab" doesnt mean "alcohol", it means "juice". so sharab is forbidden in urdu-speaking countries, but not in arabic speaking countries. hahaha Khatim means the best, the sael of prophets. jaisay punjabi me kehte haiN ke "kabab banana te idde te khatam hai", doenst mean, that nobody after that person will make kababs, it means, that his kababs are best. all other meanings are against quran.   



btw ur examples a lil weird n doesn' really justify wateva u'r sayin'.... ya guys don blv dat Mohamad (PBUH) was last prophet........(dat's understandable frm ahmadi's point of view)....well ain't no point on arguin' over dat....

djeedja lotta said:


and whether u believe or not about the prophethood of Mirza ghulam ahmad (as), doesnt matter, coz kuffar told to Mohammad the same, that he did not deserve to be a prophet(nau zubillah), and christains and jews are still saying the same to Mohammad (saws), so what. come on, get some new arguments



so wat u'r sayin is dat mirza ghulam is a prophet??.......don mind ma question.....m jus tryna look @ ahmadis frm a whole new perspective.....
Posted 11 May 2005
Cute_gal says
djeedja lotta said:

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we believe, that Mohammad is "khatamun nabiyyeen" (but not the last one)




u don make sense at all....Khatamun nabiyyeen ka matlub hi yehi hai....k Mohammad (PBUH) was last prophet.....
Posted 11 May 2005
Bazigaar says
Cute_gal said:

djeedja lotta said:

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we believe, that Mohammad is "khatamun nabiyyeen" (but not the last one)




u don make sense at all....Khatamun nabiyyeen ka matlub hi yehi hai....k Mohammad (PBUH) was last prophet.....


ok this is my logic - so don;t quote me..if i am wrong...just correct me...

i think ahmadi folks take holy prophet (PBUH) as khatam-ul-nabiyeen as in k after holy prophet there will be no other prophet who will bring new sharayeet or religion...the sharayeet is full and final @ holy prophet (PBUH), yet a prophet can come after holy prophet who will kindda re-enforce (i think) holy prophet's sharayeet...which is what massiah is...

and this...in a way...make sense...why? cuz we all believe massih is going to come near the end of the world...now dat massih as we all know will be hazrat eesa (AS)...who is a nabi himself...now question arises...if therer no nabi to come after holy prophet (PBUH) as he is khatam-u-nabiyyen...then what is hazrat esa doing coming after him? doesn;t really make sense...so in a way...this is my logic...k holy prophet is khatam-u-nabiyeen as in last prophet to bring any new shareeyat/religio/etc...but a nabi will copme after him..who will be massiah offcourse...

after all this cleared...we all agree on a massiah to come...now the difference here that i can see between ahmadis and others is that ahmadis think massiah have arrived...where as others think massiah have yet to come
Posted 11 May 2005
Bazigaar says
but all arguments aside...i personally think...no one have a right to consider anyone a non-muslim...if one says he is muslim...then it;s between him and his God..who r we to make judgement? according to a hadees (i don;t have source at the moment, but i can get it for u if u like)...there r suppose to be 73 sects of islam..and only is suppose to be true...and who is that..only God knows...instead of criticing each other...we must first look into ourselves...am i a good muslim?Bazigaar38483.2829398148
Posted 11 May 2005
djeedja lotta says
@baazigar

thanks yaar for summarizing in such neutral words. lagta hai propaganda ka aap par assar nahi hua.

@cuta gal

no and never. khatamun nabiyyeen mustnt mean just and only, that Mohammad (saws) was the last prophet. it means also he (saws) was the best of prophets, or the seal of prophethood. dont try to translate arabic word "khatam" with the same Urdu word "khatam". these are in some ways two different words.

Hazrat Ali (ra) was called "khatamul auliya".
Bu ali seena, a great medician was called "khatamul atibba".
and no arab translated this ever that Hazrat ali (ra) was "the last wali" and bu ali seena was "the last medician". the word "khatam" is a term of arabic language and has not too much to do with urdu word "khatam". got it?

and this is not the view of just only Ahmadi muslims but a lot of great other sufiya, ulama and mujaddid BEFORE mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) said the same. i can give u a lot of references, if u are interested and not ignorant.
Posted 12 May 2005
Ashii says




acha naaa,, zyada molvi banne ki zaroorat nahi hai



yar i even know few ahmedi ppl who said that Mirza ahmed was not a prophet but a wali (or a buzurg)
few ppl call him prophet,, few call him messiha

bohot confusion hai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
par khair,,, mujh jaise log basic islam ko hi nahi samajh sakte to yahan tak jaane ki zaroorat hi nahi,, wo kya kehte hein na,, jiss gau jana nahi wahan ka rasta kyun puchein
Posted 12 May 2005
djeedja lotta says
ab jabb main ne kuch sawal pooche to sabb aahista aahista ghayeb ho rahe haiN. hmm maulwi to khair main nahi banta, haaN magar maulwis ke phailaye hue propaganda ka buhat barr dushman huN. aap par bhi lagta hai ussi ka assar hai.

agar islam ki hi nahi samajh aayi to this time ,i think there is really no base to talk with u. otherwise i could explain u, what islam is.

as one of my best friends, a non-ahmadi muslim, told me. D.L. if a maulwi in masjab explains me islam, i dont understand, but if u explain, i can understand, but u are not a muslim. hahahha to aap ko bhi yehi confusion hogi, aur kya kaha jasakta hai.

ignorance is the mother of la-ilmi, jahalat. and i am not sorry to say this.
Posted 13 May 2005
Badal says
About the Promised Messiah, we believe everyone of the people of the book will recognize the truth and accept him only as a Messenger of Allah; the religion of Allah, Islam will justly rule the world.

"And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e. Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them." (The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:159)

Dit this happened?

Posted 14 May 2005
Ashii says
"""ignorance is the mother of la-ilmi, jahalat"""
agree

who said im not trying to coming out of this ignorance
but as i said base samajhna zaroori hai mere nazdeek,,
waise bhi mera rasta kissi kisam ki takseem se alag hai

say wotever u want,, im use to it,,,
me to yeh batein ehl e sunnat/hadees wagera se bhi sunti rehti hu
so no pb
Posted 14 May 2005
Badal says
Narrated Abu Huraira (RA) that the Prophet of Allah (SAW) said:

By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, Son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizyah (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no one will accept charitable gifts.
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 34, No. 425)

Narrated Abu Huraira (RA) that hazrat Muhammad (SAW) said:

The Hour will not be established until the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizyah tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 43, No. 656)

Did all this happened?

Posted 14 May 2005
Bazigaar says
wesaay ekk baat sochnay ke hae...

when we say holy prophet(PBUH) to be last prophet, then how can hazrat esa come again? isn;t that like a prophet coming after holy prophet (PBUH)?
Posted 14 May 2005
djeedja lotta says
@sall

aap baat ko jitna marzi ghuma len. baat itni hai, ke aap yaqeen karen ya na karen yeh to aap ka apna muamla hai, main ne jo cross questioning ki hai uss ka jawab to den. yeh kya keh har baar topic se hi hili hui baat kar deni, nayi nayi baat nikaal lani magar purani baat ko close nahi karna. its not fair. its female hahaha

@badal

to quranic verse:
aap ne jo interpretation ki hai woh to ulti aap par jarahi hai. that means, ke hazaron lakhon christians and jews are already dead wothout believing on him. what does it mean? matlab to yeh nikla ke Quran me nau zubillah aik baat likhi hai jo ghalat hai?

of course our interpretation is different and it happened already.
to other both ahadis:
yes it happened.

but besides all of this, pehle just tell me the same, what bazigar undermarked, how do u believe that hazrat isa (as), is not dead like all other human beings, while our beloved and the best prophet Mohammad (saws) is dead and burried in the earth? yeh to samjha dijiye pehle. islam is not a qissa kahani, as some made out of it.   
Posted 17 May 2005
Bazigaar says
mujhay ye samajh nahi ati ke...jab ek dosray ke baat man'ne se inkaar kerta hae...aur dosra pehlay ke man'ne se inkaar kerta hae...to phir behas kis cheez ke?
Posted 18 May 2005
Shahrukh Khan says
all fault of sunni's?
Posted 20 May 2005
Bazigaar says
shahrukh khan said:

all fault of sunni's?



sab ka he kasoor hae yaar...kia sunni to kia shia...khuda ne mazhab islam banaya thaa...sunni, shia etc nahi...ye sab dramaebaziyaan hian...gunahgaar hum sab log hian...ghalat baten kertay hain when we say we r sunni or shia...cuz if we r muslims then we r MUSLIMS...not sunni, shia, etc etc

attitude should be...seedha seedha jo quran mae hae try to follow as much and bas...koi pochay kon ho...too kaho i am a muslim...if they ask sunni or shia? i dunno...and i care less, i am muslim and dat;s my religion not sunni, shia etc...
Posted 21 May 2005
Shahrukh Khan says
yeah
Posted 21 May 2005
Ashii says
djeedja lotta said:

@sall

its female hahaha


pehle beshak thora bohot shak ho par ab aap k paki n muslim hone pe shak nahi raha
mubarik ho


btw,,
i admit one thing,, those who call themselvs ahmedis, woh kitne ache insan ya muslim hein yeh me nahi janti,,,, par unn k paas wakai bohot knowledge hoti hai,, no doubt
Posted 22 May 2005
Bazigaar says
secondly...suppose for a minute k nahi bhi mantaay...to jews, christians etc bhi nahi mante? to we say k they r bad ppl to? secondly...like u said..christians can say too...k muslims r bad ppl cuz wo jesus ko khuda ka beta nahi mante...so does that means k muslims r bad ppl too? lol...simple se logic hae yaar...

but like i said...i know k ahmadi ppl holy prophet (PBUH) ko mantay hain...kiyoon lootay am i rite?
Posted 24 May 2005
Bazigaar says
Salmank2 - i moved u'r post...

plz...i'll repeat myself again...this is a place to come and understand each other's religion/sect not to accuse each other or throw trash on each other's religion/sect    respect other's religion and they will respect ur's
Posted 24 May 2005
Shahrukh Khan says
jo hazrat MOHAMMED (PBUH) KO NAHI MAANTA WOH INSAAN ALLAH KO BHI NAHI PASAND
Posted 24 May 2005
Bazigaar says
admadi ppl say they believe in holy prophet (PBUH)
Posted 24 May 2005
heart_hacker says
tell me only app sub muslims hain........thats all
ager app in firko per gy to kaheen kay nahii rahain gy
leave this firka and like that,
whats the prob with u...
ager app is kay bary main janna chahty hain and u r sunni then chalain jayain kasiii shiya kay pass achiii tara samjy ga
yay firkay kay bary main parna and us kay bary main dosry ko batana sirf pagalo ka kaam haiii
app muslims haii yay app logo kay leay kafi haiii and khush hoon app muslims kay ger paida howay and in firko ko bhool jayain
firka kuch nahii haiii
Posted 24 May 2005
djeedja lotta says
SALL said:

pehle beshak thora bohot shak ho par ab aap k paki n muslim hone pe shak nahi raha
mubarik ho
btw,,
i admit one thing,, those who call themselvs ahmedis, woh kitne ache insan ya muslim hein yeh me nahi janti,,,, par unn k paas wakai bohot knowledge hoti hai,, no doubt



kya aap bhi yehi samajhti hai ke religion thread aur serious forum me koi mazaq na kiya jaaye. khair. main to kiya karunga without meaning somethings realy serious, like i told, that its femals.

to knowledge ki hi baate le leN hamm se. baqaul, Anhazrat (saws) ilm to jahan se mile, hasil kar lena chahiye, mo'min ki hi khoi hui cheez hoti hai, so hamm to issi par amal karte hain. wasslam
Posted 25 May 2005
Shahrukh Khan says
JO LOG HAZRAT MOHAMMED (PBUH) KO NAHI MANTE...NA HI ALLAH UNKO PASAND KARTA HAI...IS MAIN GHUSTAKHI KAHAN SE A GAYEE
Posted 25 May 2005
Bazigaar says
holy prophet (PBUH) is the last prophet no doubt...but muslims ye bhi believe kertay hian k hazrat esa ko bhi ana hae...also known as maseeh...now...here's the question...

holy prophet (PBUH) is last prophet to phir hazrat esa jab ayen gae...to wo kiya hoon gae? not a prophet? cuz akhri prophet to holy propjet (PBUH) hain...

now..i am not taking any sunni's side or ahmadi's side...but...it's common sense...

i think k holy porophet (PBUH) is last prophet in a sense k un per religion ends...and HIS shareeyat is final...and thus he is last nabi to bring shareeyat...now it is possible to have a nabi after him...and it will be maseeh offcourse...but again..maseeh will also re-enforce holy prophet's (PBUH) shareeyat and NOT bring another shareeyat of his own...and so holy prophet (PBUH) still remains the last prophet as his shareeyat was final... and yehee haqeekat hae......so again...if holy prophet (PBUH) is last nabi, then how can maseeh come again...cuz maseeh is gonna be nabi too...think bout the shareeyat thing i said...

now...being said that...the main difference here in sunni and ahmadi folks i think is...ahmadis ka man'na hae k maseeh who was suppose to come...has come...and they follow him...where as sunnis don;t agree to ahmadis and r still waiting for maseeh...

last but not least...we all agree on one thing...there's only one sect of muslims which is gonna be on right path...wo kon hain? ye hum nahi jantay...could be shias, could be sunnis, could be ahmadis, could be wahabis, could be anyone...we dunno...

so far i've noticed sunni and admadi members arguing here...so my brothers...ye bhi ho sakta hae k app mae se ek ka sect theek ho...aur ye bhi ho sakta hae k dono he ghalat hoon aur koi teesra sect theek ho...so jab hum ko khud he sure nahi hae k kon theek hae to hum dosray ko ghalat kis tarah keh saktay hain? instead of criticising each other...agar hum yehe time nikal ker ek dosray ke baray mae thori research kerain...to i am sure kafi sari ghalat fehmi's door ho sakti hain...

if u wanna know about other's beliefs, etc...un ka tanz ker ke na pochoo...balkay ask like civilized ppl..k this is what i heard bout u guys, is it true? cuz ye to hadees bhi hae (these r not exact words, but means same) sunni sunai baat kabhi bhi us baat ke barabar nahi hoti jo app khud dekho    so instead of beliving jo app ne suna hoa hae about different sects of islam...why not ask the members of that sect directly...cuz wo apko proper guide keray ga bout his belief then if u read something bout them in newspapers etc...

abhi i hope k sab log civililzed ppl ke tarah behave kertay hoye usefull discussion kerain gae...
Posted 26 May 2005
Shahrukh Khan says
oke
Posted 27 May 2005
YA_ALI_MADAD says
well i just joined the group n read all the discussion i wanna take actiive part in it
Posted 07 Jun 2005
Shahrukh Khan says
YA_ALI_MADAD said:

well i just joined the group n read all the discussion i wanna take actiive part in it



sure i like ur username
Posted 07 Jun 2005
Djeedja Shareef says
besides that, ke abhi takk mere cross questioning ka koi jawab nahi aaya. i give here just some references of Muslim Buzurgs, who lived before the time of Promised Messiahs (as). We should know, what these buzurgs thought about "Khatam ul Anbiya".

1. Hazrat Sheikh Ahmad Farooqi
"The rising of prophets after the Khatamar Rasul Hazrat Muhammad, the Chosen One, peace and blessings be upon him, from among his own followers and as a heritage, does not in any way run counter to his status as the Khatamar rasul. Therefore, O reader, do not be among those who doubt."
Maktubat Imam Rabbani, Hazrat Mujaddid Alf Thani

2. Hazrat Imam Muhayyudin ibn arabi
'From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law.'
Fatuhati Makiyyah: Vol 1. pg 545

3. Hazrat Abu Ja'far, while discussing the Quranic verse:
"For verily We granted the Book to the children of Abraham...," said that God vouchsafed to the children of Abraham, Messengers, Prophets and Imams. But what is ironical is that people believe in what God blessed the children of Abraham with and yet they deny this blessing for the progeny of Muhammad."
Al-Saafi Sharah Asool Al-Kaafi, Part 3, Pg. 119

4. Hazrat Abdul wahab sheerani
"..prophethood has not been abolished and it is only law-bearing prophethood that is abolished."
(Al Yawaaqeetu Wal Jawaahir: Vol. 3 pg. 35)

5. The Muhaddith of Dehli, Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah subscribed to this opinion and stated:

'The meaning of the Holy Prophet being the Khataman Nabiyeen is that there shall not now appear a person whom God may appoint with a new Law for mankind, that is to say, there shall be no prophet who shall come with a new Law.'
(Tafheemati Ilahiyyah pg. 53)

6. The Hakim ul Millat Hazrat Shah wali Ullah again in fact gave credence to the opinion that prophets within the Ummah may arise when he stated:

'There cannot be an independent prophet after the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, who is not his follower and his adherent.'
(Al Khairul Katheer: pg 111)

7.The great saint, Hazrat Maulana Room (Rehmatullah Alaihi) writes:

"Make such plans to perform righteousness in the way of God that you attain prophethood within the Ummat (religious community)"
(Mathnavi Maulana Room, Daftar I, pg. 53)

these are just some of the references.

ab koi inn references. "khatam" ke ajeeb say maani karna is an invention after the promised Messias (as), as its tradition, that wehenever a prophet is made, ppl are against him in the beginning.

so and now some informations for them, who think ke Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat is just a local Jamaat.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jammat in Islam is a religious organization, international in its scope, with branches in over 178 countries in Africa, North America, South America, Asia, Australasia, and Europe. At present, its total membership exceeds 200 million worldwide, and the numbers are increasing day by day. This is the most dynamic denomination of Islam in modern history.


what promised messias (as) said:

"O mankind! hear, this is the prophecy of God Who made the Heavens and the Earth. He will spread this Movement in all the countries and will give it supremacy over all through reason and arguments. Remember, no one will descend from heaven. All our opponents who are living at present will die and not one of them will see Jesus, son of Mary, descend from the sky and then their children who survive them will also pass away and none of them will see Jesus, son of Mary, coming down from the heaven. Generations of their posterity will also perish and they too will not see the son of Mary descending from heaven. Then God will create restlessness in their hearts; that the day of the glory of the Cross had passed away and the world had taken another turn but Jesus, son of Mary, had still not come down from the sky. Then all the wise people will discard this belief and the third century from today will not have completed when all those who had been waiting for Jesus, both Muslims and Christians will despair of his coming and entertaining misgivings shall give up their belief and there will be only one Faith in the world and one preceptor. I came only to sow the seed. That seed has been sown by my hands. It will now grow and blossom forth and none dare retard its growth."

(The Promised Messiah in Tazkira-tush-Shahadatain)



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e.g. help, think, fair enough