heheh baat to ab aap ne ghuma dee. i was just anxious about that book. nothing more. and besides all of this madame, maiN ne yeh kabb kaha ke hadees ko nahi maanta maiN? siraf hawala maang raha tha for my own reference.

ahadees ka aik khaas ilm hai. har hadees nahi maani jaasakti.

bukhari ki aik hadees hai, jo baar baar hai bukhari me: Anhazrat (saws) ne farmaya ke
nahoossat teen cheezoN me hoti hai, ghar, ghorra aur aurat me.

ab yeh hadees bilkul sahee hain, magar choonke quran se clash kar rahi hai iss liye nahi tasleem ki jaasakti. to janab baat yeh hai ke mere assal sawaloN ko na ghumaayeN, kashaf ul mehjoob itni bhi mashhoor kitaab nahi hai jitna aap samajh rahi haiN. ab to khair mujhe pata chal gya hai kiss ke baare me hai. and i like the author, too much. aik hadees e qudsi hai ke Allah bhi har roz apni shaan badalta hai. so for my wn interest, yeh soch kar ke, aap ki kahi hui baat par aitbaar kiya jasakta hai, i asked u the name of book. thanks. now i can refer it further. aitbaar ka banda ho to aadmi baat aage phaila sakta hai na. i was not offending or cross questioning u in this case. so sorry, if it seemed to be like this.

aur iss dafa to aap ne difference ka sawal uthaya hai. difference to hai, iss me kya shak hai bhala. ab doosri postings ke bhi jawab de dijiye. kya khayal hai?

SALL said:

btw yeh hadees 'kashaf ul mehjoob' mei likhi hai
uss book pe aap ko yakeen hai ya nahi that s not my pb

hmmm hadees ka original hawala kya hai janab?
kashaf ul mehjoob? doesnt tell me something. it seems to be a collection of some ahadees but according to my knowledge not reference.

is this hadis from bukhari, Muslim, abu daud? otherwise i have to reasearch about kahsaf ul mehjoob.

wassalam

define the true values first. phir baat hogi, name some of them.

kana phoosi?
chughli khana?
tajassus me rehna?
jhoot?
be-eemaani?
rishwat-khori?
living without any principles?

if u mean these, then i try to get rid off them.

any other values aap bata do, unn par baat hogi phir.

yes according to my knowledge, there is no problem to eat kosher.

forbidden is, jiss par Allah ke siwa kissi aur ka naam liya gya ho, that means, ke koi bali ya qurbani ka gosht jo kissi devta ya nakhuda ke naam par qurban kiya gya ho.

yeh nahi kaha gya kay halal janwaroN me se woh gosht na khao, jiss par Allah ka naam na liya gya ho. Allah ka naam aap le kar kha lo.

for this opinion i have some strong ahadees from bukhari, too. i will give u references as sonn as i get near to my books.



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hadees ka hawala means, reference. konsi hadees ki kitaab me parrha? ya khwateen digest me parrha?

aap ki ooper ki baaton par buhat se cross questions hain.

pehli baat ke 124 000 paighamber kion bheje gaye? aik hi aana chahiye tha phir to. uss ke baad saare khud hi faisla kar lete kidher jana hai. magar 124 000 aate gaye aur kissi ko aqal nahi aayi aur aakhir thakk haar ke nauzubillah kya ab bhejne hi band kar diye kya?

mere khayal me to Allah ki sunnat hai nabi bhejna, aur kiss tarahn insanoN ko hidayet dee hai. mostly yehi tareeqa hai Allah ka, jisse AAP ne band kar diya, halanke Allah ko khud band karna chahiye.

phir yeh ke aaNhazrat Mohammad (saws) ke aane se pehle bhi to ache log maujood the. even quran me yahood ke kuch logoN ko bhi Allah ne acha qaraar diya. to phir AaNhazrat MOhammad (saws) ko kioN bheja gya?

phir yeh kay, kya Hazur Mohammad (saws) ke aane se pehle wilayat khatam thi kya? agar nahi, to phir nabuwwat kion aayi, wilayat par hi guzara kar lena tha, aur agar pehle band thi wilayat to phir saabit kijiye ke hazrat Mohamamd (saws) se pehle ke log ya tosiraf nabi hote the ya normal se insan aur koi wali tha hi nahi unn me. jabb ke sab musalman hazrat Ibraheem (as) ko wali-ullah ka khitaab dete haiN.

aur yeh baat generaly hi aap samjha deejiye ke quran me kahaN likha hai ke wilayat hi siraf qaayem rahe gi? matlab yeh ke aik sunnat hai Allah ki, jo shuroo se rahi hai, uss ko AAP kiss bina par aik damm se band kar rahi haiN, jabb ke phir bhi aap hazrat Mohammad (saws) ke bad bhi aik nabi ka to intizaar kar hi rahe haiN. ya nahi?
siraf sawal hi sawal hain, bass koi jawab nahi deta, koi hawala nahi deta, siraf dogmatic answers haiN, na koi logic, na koi filosofic and na hi koi religious.

goya zidd to aap par KHATAM hai. (this doesnt mean ke aap ke bad koi ziddi nahi aayega, this means ke aap sabb se barri ziddi ho, hehehe joke kiya hai aqal wala)


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buzurg honge, magar no gAzz lambe har gIzz nahi.

ji bilkul baja farmaya aap ne, Sach to siraf Allah hi jaanta hai, magar Allah ne kya mana farmaya hai ke insan hokar sach na jaaneN hamm?

chalo budhist, and hindu religion me to har aik barre ya chotte se pathar ko khuda bana kar uss ki izzat karne ki tradition hai, magar islam me inn cheezon ki kahaN ijazat hai? aik to qadam ka nishan, woh bhi ghair-insani, phir woh bhi hazrat aadam (as) ke naam laga diya bina tehqeeq aur bina aqal ke, phir agar koi "sanjeeda" insan mere jaisa hanse to uss ko nasseehat.

bass itni si kehni thi.



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@sall

hadis ka hawala to deN na saath zara.

waisay baat koi shuroo hui thi, kahin aur chali gayi, khair.

now to the discussion, jiss ka jo dil karta hai apna islam bana kar baith jata hai, right? yahan se to saaf saaf nazar aaraha hai ke KISSI ko ab aajana chahiye, jo khuda se hidayet paa kar faisla kar sake ke islam kya hai aur ghalat baaten konsi haiN. right?

Yeh to Allah ki hamesha se sunnat rahi hai ke hidayat logoN ko nabi ke zariye hi deta hai, so woh rasta to "kuch musalman" apne liye khud hi band kar ke baithe, ab hidayat kahaN se aaye? aik sawal hai bass.



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@admins

just once more my chit chat and something else.

kabhi aap mujhe dectivate kar dete hain, kabhi activate kar dete hain. djeedja lotta ist deactivated again. yaar, mere saath agar koi problem hai to clear cut keh do na, main chala jaunga janab.

haiN aur bhi dunya me ghamm, muhabbat ke siwa

magar yeh kya keh kabhi activate kar diya, kabhi deactivate kar diya. kabhi edit kar diya aur kabhi delete kar diya.

mujhe to aap ki problems ka aik hi hall nazar aata hai:

Forum ke users ne jo bhi kehna ho ya likhna ho, woh likh kar aap admins ya aap ke "right hands" MODS ko bhej de, aap khud hi uss ko edit kar ke achi tarah censor wencor kar ke, khud hi kissi ache se topic me likh den, na rahe ga chit aur na hi hoga chat. kaisa idea hai?

no my friend, lotte ki har pakistani ko zaroorat hai. meri agar aap ko nahi zaroorat to keh dijiye, main toilett paper bhej deta hun, khud chala jaunga.

wassalam

heart__hacker said:

Quran main sirf utarnain ka ziker haii and jaga ka nahii bataya gia sirf itna kay un ko zameen per utara gia haii
rahii baat foot ki to i think wo kasii aur ka bi ho sukta haii ajj say phaly waly log kafi bary and lamby hoy thay,,
and baki Allah janta haii wo hii hum sub say acha jannain wala haii

hmmm heart_hacker
can u give a reference about this. quran me kahan aur kiss ke utarne ka zikar hai?
doosri baat, yeh aap ko kiss ne keh diya ke pehle walay log buhat barre aur lambe hote the? iss ka koi saboot?

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