Sheena you sound like your the one with all the pent up frustration, like a desperado who cant wait to give herself to the first man who'll look at you. If you think that being shameless is making progress then...well what can I say to that. Hate to burst your bubble but most decent people in the west actually think people who think like you have a problem. They dont think like you contrary to your fantasy beliefs. Alcohol sex drugs and all the material things like movies your life revolves around are normally for people trying to escape the real issues in life, ie they are usually for sad people. If you actually tried to look at the other side of life you would soon realise you were living a lie in a make believe fantasy world. If you had any sense you would realise that you are the one who has been conditioned.

Exactly the way to tell such deprived people off SohniKuddi, well done.

nikama said:

i call these people prophets of doom.jis tarah makhi saaf suthri cheezon ko chor ker gund per a k bethti he.some of us also love to talk abt bad things only.and interestingly,only those criticise who practically do nothing to make the country a better place to live.

What you say is SOMETIMES quite true, but is also used, particularly by Pakistanis, to try and cover up what is essentially problems that need addressed, but people would rather deny that they exist or just try to hush hush everything. Interestingly people who do want to do something practically are either shut up or locked up, sometimes under the pretence of a farce known as the "War on Terror". A farce which Pak and mushy are fully assisting the kafr with.

shahrukh khan said:

Kyun itni nafrat karte hain hum...saath saath khush ho kar kyun nahi reh sakte...sab ke dil torte hain...sab akhte rahien mil ker...

Lack of Deen, understanding it and living by it. The forces of evil are maikng sure that muslims fight one another, and in places like Pak there are Kafr groups who claim to be muslim and are causing a lot of divisions.

AI-Irhab said:

Assalam-o-alikom


aik sawal hay ager pak gov foreign countries k chennels disable kerdey sirf informative chennels ko hi enable rakhein internet se P**Nography disable kerdein to kiya humarey is ma'ashrey may koi tabdeeli ronama hogi yah nahi ???

Yes i think so, especially bollywood, it has influenced pakis so much and is desttroying the country.

AI-Irhab said:

jjpr said:

Well now let me see, sex outside marriage, alcohol, drugs, clubs, P**N, fraud, murder, rape, looting, lots and lots of bribery, corruption thats enough for now, i think you get the picture.

kiss mulk may yeh sab nahi hota aap mujhe batain ??

Perhaps i'll mention the despicable acts going on in the aftermath of the earthquake were bodies lying around are being looted of personal items and funeral organisers are increasing fees as well as truck drivers.

aap ney yeh dekh liya k truck drivers ney apni fees high kerdi but dosrey logon ney is may jitni jaddo jahad ki hay woh kisi ko nazar nahi aati may aap ko batata hon merey friend ne aik truck rent per liya wahan ki imdaad pochaney k liye you know what ass pass k logon ney bagair kuch kahey us truck may apni taraf sey fund,imdadi saman dena shoro kerdiya hatta k truck full load hogayah. truck driver ne kaha may aap sey fees nahi longa,rastey may logon ney khod pooch pooch ker funds aur imdadi saman diya even beggers kiya hotey hain unhon woh bhi pechey nahi hatey jitna hosaka sab sey unhon ney utna kiya

Oh and the Paki army stand by refusing to pull injured victims out as they do not have specific orders.
To mention just a few.

what the hell din raat jo log kaam kerahey hain unhein koi nahi dekh raha bas ap ko yeh nazar aagayah k paki army ney order na honey ki surat may inkaar kerdiya ...

We are not concerned with other countries we are concerned about PAK-istan. Why do you people always use other countries to try and justify paks errors?

Naturally bad things always stick out, and although a lot of people have shown their humane side in this disaster a lot have shown their despicable side, and I feel that Pakistanis seem to show more bad than other people. Things were not like this in other countries like Turkey, Iran and Tsunami places, only pakis can do this. Not even one or two incidents but hundreds.


About the army, even one such incident is enough to show the world how disgraceful a nation pakistan can be. No one is taking the shine of all the hard work being carried out by the decent people, but there is no need for these type of incidents. And this is one of many such incidents. It would be too long a list, and surely some are not true, but with Pak you can guarentee a majority probably are. And this is what makes Pak different from the rest.

I hope you have posted the same message on other threads such as the one in my link were user Sheena is blatantly having a go at Pakistan and muslims in general. That is just one example. Perhaps thats ok with you.   
Why are you quick to defend when users such as myself are only trying to defend Islam and not when vice versa?

This forum has a long way to go to catch up with the rest of the world where free speech within limits is tolerated. On most of the nets most popular forums worldwide their is a much better limit than the one you are trying to impose here, for whatever reason. That is what makes them popular and succesful, and users coming on are informed and sensible enough to have an informed debate even if it sometimes involves harsh references although still within limits.

There is obviously a difference in your and the rest's opinion of reasonable, and i'm sorry to say that it shows this forum as backward and it has a lot to learn.

Aikalone, you are exactly right. Unfortunately Pakistani people are so engrossed in bolly and holly and whatever else they are not bothered about what else is going on around them, even people on the JB forums. They either don’t care or don’t want to face the realities of life and are hiding away. This is criticism but also advice, a wake up call for the people of Pakistan. They are being destroyed by the International media in particularly the Indian. Remember Indira Ghandhi said we will win the war against PAk not by fighting but through our media, and how right she was.

This should be a wake up call for any Pakistani who is proud also to be a Muslim and reject the Satan’s army and his mediums.

Many people use films, which are generally make believe but regrettably people change them into reality after watching them, as a get away from problems they have or are going on around them. People, Muslims in particular are constantly targeted by the evil amongst us and it is succeeding in a big way. Just look at the amount of top Indian actors with muslim names, they are being used to take in even more paks and muslims.

Check out this link for example:

http://www.janubaba.com/wforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18805&PN= 1

Some of the postings in this link are typical of people who are in a make believe fantasy world and think that Islam is the problem. It is bolly that is the big problem. The Indians themselves have been corrupted by Hollywood and then they try to copy them and come up with Bolly. They are then passing this to the paks who have Lolly. Many of these people think that holly/bolly/lolly is the best thing in the world, how sad. They think Islam and religion in general is bad, what would they know about the meaning of life. They live in a fake world and have never experienced the spiritual power of Islam, the world’s fastest growing religion. They think that the answer to their problems or the meaning of life is alcohol, sex and other such vices. They think a tequila shot can solve all their problems, how sad.

Many educated westerners and Indians themselves acknowledge that this is a problem and are disgusted with women who have lost all sense of shame in their quest to try and make it in a cheap world. Even these people feel ashamed to watch the sexual immorality displayed in such movies. Asian people are always eager to copy the west and sometimes go too far, typical, so much so that other Asians and people in the west start to cringe and feel embarrassed. These people think oh the west loves us and we are brilliant, etc, etc, were as in reality they just laugh at how such people are trying so hard to copy them and be like them. Don’t forget that these people ruled over the Asians for years and still think they are superior, Asians will never be fully accepted as one of them or like them no matter how hard they try, and why should they, just be Asian for once in your life and be proud to have your own culture rather than trying to copy other’s.

People in the West are increasingly turning to Islam as they are realising the true meaning of life, one example is that American women are the highest number of converts to Islam in the west. This is a society the Indians are always striving to copy and be like, which is evident in their films.

People behind the scenes are trying to corrupt the nations so that attention is deflected from the real issues in life such as poverty, corruption and government failings to mention just a few. The quicker people wake up and realise the better. So get with the plan before the plan gets you.

Chandramuki said:

nikama said:

o.k.homo- sxuality is reality in pakistan,phir kya kia jay?

Ye kia jay:

Educate your children early on that homosexuality is haraam, it doesn't have to be said that way, but carried out in practise, like don't let them dress with other boy/girls, build a strong sense of sharaam in them.

Good point. Though I don't think there is any harm in actually telling them that it is Haraam.

sheena said:

just stating the facts baby...now another slap on this guy s face is the news that gulshan grover has been confirmed to play the ultimate villan in the next james bond movie casino royale. now i guess he realizes what true embarrassment means . lol

First I am a paki and then I'm in Peshawar, and now you claim to know my sex. Wow maybe I should start watching bolly you can attain mysterious powers. Or perhaps you just start hallucinating which you are obviously doing .
All your crap....see this is what bolly can do to you, not only is it embarrassing it is also bad for your health. Hope you come round soon, and when you do you dont need to apologise.
Oh by the way this guy Gulshan in a bond movie yeah your right sounds truly emabarrassing.

Funny what a racist paki hater is doing on a predominantly paki forum. Probably a secret paki admirer. You probably wish you were in pak safe from all the indian rapists that roam the streets of Goa looking for western tourists to rape or mug. Tourists that have fell in large numbers due to this fact. You have a lot to say about pak, but that wont let you deflect attention from Indian negativity such as the rape figures in bombay or the corruption prevalent throughout its society JUST LIKE PAKS. And that isn't even the beggining.
Oohh I dont know why I'm even responding to this fantasist. Not again.

In response to Sheena.

Well first of all without getting into this dummy's entire post, i will respond to a couple of points and reiterate a couple of others so that the dummy can wake up.

Just becasue foreign countries are asking Baistytwood to come and film at their locations dont mean jack54it. Of course they want their money, they must be loving it asking the indies to come and make a fool of themselves and take their money at the same time, ha ha.
Just becasue they feature in film festivals and a few indian actors have appeared in a few english films (hardly blockbuster Hollywood hits) dont mean jack54it. Most of the time the white folk are being polite more than anything else and i'm sure A FEW genuinely do like the stuff.....AND?

All this does not mean that the majority of people from these international countries inviting them don't find them silly and embarrassing.

If you actually read my posts you would have noticed that I dont watch this junk. That doesn't mean I am oblivious to it does it, perhaps you are so engrossed in this Bull5hit that you are unawre of what goes on around you, hell you even believe its actually good.
And its funny you call me a typical paki considering I am not a paki at all, you seem to assume quite a lot, perhaps its your typical indian mentality.
The 95% you speak to are obviously on the same wavelength as you undoubtedly all asians (likely indians). And just because a majority likes something doesn't make it right does it?
I will leave it at that as the rest of your crap doesnt even warrant a reply.

[N.T.G said:

] >>>>>>What's wrong with shooting in India.


have u heard of a english word named "REPEATED" ... we make 400 films per year... most of dem shot in india.. ppl want to see something diff...

and if the producer has da money then why not.??

and becoz bolly try diff things.. thats why its such a blosssoming industry... otherwise it would be gone like lolly..

to watch the bolly grow.. WATHC "TALKING MOVIES" on BBC WORLD at 10pm Thrusday 27-oct india time..

Yeah well thats ok if you are coming abroad to do something decent and sensible. Some things are better kept at home because its silly or embarassing to take it out, Bolly films is one of those things.

Diya123 said:

I meant the exact same thing, the last movies
that Bollywood made, arent shoot in India,
and thats what i wondered by asking,
What's wrong with shooting in India.

Okay sorry.

SALL said:

mods del kiye topic to iss liye k there was a reason behind

And what was that reason?

Perhaps because this forum or it's users hasn't yet advanced as other web forums where people can have debates about EVERYTHING.

shahrukh khan said:

jpr y r u after pak?

What do you mean exactly?

Many thanks TT for your reply. I tried to start a thread about these people on the Religion section but it was removed by admin.

Is it true that these kafr are creating a lot of problems in Pakistan.

Badal said:

JJ

So your opinion is that if Pakistan is an Islamic country there should no crimes, homox etc. "Islamic" <= note it. Do you think Christianity preaches homox, or Judaism preaches homox, or Hinduism preaches homox, or Budhism preaches homox? Dont all these relegion condemn homox? Then why is there "so much" homox, in America, UK, India, France, Austrlia? Why cant anyone question this then? Dont say me that these are secular countries, contries maybe be secular but more than 95% people have some relegion and are bound by some Laws. Obvioulsy all relegions and Laws (most if not all) condemn it, Islam is no exception. Nor is Pakistan. I may say this is a lack of understanding only to pinpoint Islam and pakistan.

Badal I dont know what your problem is, I have already stated that I am ASKING ABOUT PAKISTAN, I am not interested at this point in any other country why is it so hard for you to understand? I have also already stated that it would be hard to think that no sins can take place in the country.
And yes As Pakistan "IS SUPPOSSED TO BE" an Islamic coubtry then there should not be any sins. Please read this last sentence carefully.

BadShaH1 said:

jipr
dont say anything abt Mush

People like mush are trying to destroy Islam by joining with the Kafr, may Allah destroy the enemies of Islam quickly.

Diya123 said:

But tell me wath's wrong with shooting in India??????????

I dont know who you are asking but in case its me,

I did not say there is anything wrong with them shooting in India, so long as they keep it there and not abroad. The only people who like it abroad are immigrant indians or there kids, and probably a very very small no of foreigners. Nobody else wants it outside India.

My apologies to you Badal as with all due respect I had a bit of difficulty understanding your text.

Secondly I am aware of what goes on in other countries but I am asking specifically about Pakistan, I am not saying there cant be crime there that would be hard, merely asking why this is happening in Pakistan, not UK US or France etc, but Pakistan. It seems to be more prevalent in this so-called Islamic country than others. I would expect these kind of things to be existent on a large scale in Western countries that are full of Jahaliah, not in Pakistan but of course there is much Jahliah in Pak obviously.

Can someone please translate the text from urdu please? Thanks.

Badal said:

Amazing, Allah didnt feel any mercy for these "disable" homos, and destroyed the whole of the nation of Prophet Lut! Allah must be cruel and devoid of any mercy for his own creatures (just like us?) to do that to them. Really, is He? Can you dare saying that while still being a Muslim? Answer me now, both of you (specially ashkhan you are proud of your parents being very knowledgeable, show me your own knowledge).

Badal are you saying this about Allah? Do you believe he was?

Badal said:

jjpr said:

Why is there so much homosexuality in Pakistan?

In pak? As many others pointed out, I will also ask how homox can be connected to "pak"? Being created for Islam does not mean it should necesarily be free from crimes, is it? It only means such crimes wont be allowed here, and they will be punished, and not that there will be no crime.

So much? Can you expalain how much? You listened to an incident and immediately started questioning why is there "so much" homox in pak, huh!! And by the way, there is also much robbery, murders etc, but no one has time to think about it. What seems "fanciful" we immediately starting questioning about it, its ridiculous.

Well well, first of all can I ask what incident you are referring to, because I started this thread with NO SPECIFIC incident in mind, I was asking a general question.
Secondly if you check other threads in the section you will notice that I have aslo started one, PAKistan, asking why there is so much "murders and robbery" as you say in Pakistan.
Thirdly I am not saying that these people should be discriminated against but they should be educated and where required be helped.
Homosexuality is wrong in Islam.

I find some of your comments confusing, are you condoning or condemning homox?

Okay I will. So should you.

*Baby* said:

embarrassment? what embarrassment? people like these Bollywood films more then Hollywood more poeople watch these kinds of films more then Hollywood.And when they go at western locations people don't find them funny some of them already know what Bollywood is, cause Bollywood is big over there. Haven't you seen Saalam Namaste, No Entry, Dus, etc there's international people in the films they seem to like what they doing. Even Hollywood actors like Elizabeth Hurley, Catherine Zeta Jones, Beyonce , Ashanti, Saira Mohan like these movies.

More people may watch them but what does that mean? That there are more idiots? Or simply that there are more people in India.

And just becasue they know what Bollywood is doesn't mean that they like it.
Also just becasue the stars you mention say they like it does that mean its ok. They probably say that to be nice anyway?
At least 95% percent of peole that I have spoken to or have heard speaking about this have always remarked on how stupid this all is. Some white people try to be polite but it is obvious they find it embarrassing.

The international people in these fims are all actors using Bollywood as a stepping stone. They are hoping that because they cant get decent roles esewhere this might help them, unfortunately it is probably harming there careers, certainly outside bollywood. I have never heard of any big name International actors in any Bolyywood movies, and if there is such a rare case then it would be a rare case indeed.

THIS is Pakistan for you.

The best way to sort Pakistan is to take all the good people and temporarily remove them from the country.
Then Pakistan should be destroyed using the latest arms technology killing and destroying all the haramis and then it should be rebuilt again and the good people should be allowed to go back.

Musharaf should be hanged upside down and shot.

I'm sure you are right as I dont watch bollywood movies myself, but have seen these stupid things when switching channels and at other peoples houses.

new_beau said:

R u here on this forum only to ask this ???

Sorry is there a problem understanding my question?

People may not a have a problem with Pakistan as much as Pakistan is a problem in itself. Pakistan was created for Islam to be be practised in the correct way, yet it seems like many have fallen away from the real purpose that the forefathers shed their blood for. Pakistanis are fast moving away from Islam and towards Haram things. Homosexuality seems to be very prevalent and this disgusting problem must be eradicated through education and if necessary by punishment as in Shariah.

Although some and very few homos admit that there condition is a disability or whatever you want to call it, A large majority do not. This is largely due to the increasing spread of devilish statements like "its ok" or "live and let live" or that we "should accept it".
And until a person admits he has a problem then its very hard to cure them.

MMJA what exactly is your point?

There are good people in Pakistan, but there are a lot of bad people. Pakistan mentality is very selfish they will always think what they can gain from any situation before thinking about the good of anyone else. This mentality has spread everywhere Pakistanis go, UK US and other places, this is why the rest of the world looks down on them. Dont forget Pakistan is officially the second most corrupt nation in the world, what is so PAK about that?

Also Nikama Pakistanis know how bad they are but will never admit it and when someone critcises them they say oh no dont say that you cant say anything bad about Pakistan. All this is Nationalism and nothing to do with Islam. Islam exactly what Pakistan with the capital of ISLAM-ABAD was built for, yet unfortunately this is not whats being practised at least not by a lot of the people.

Smooth_daddy said:

Chandarmukhi, Badal ddn't go over board. he infact spoke the truth. Environmental factors you are referring to (tentative phenomenon humans reached with God-given intelligence) are systems of God’s creation and are executed upon His orders. Allah swt mentioned in the Quran of wind, and ocean waves, and birds and insects... being his soldiers who obey and carry out His command. They call 'em natural disaster because they do not have any body to blame for such incidents.

In western societies where atheism took strong roots in late previous century, left its indelible marks on the society. Calling act of God an act of nature is one example. They refer to God as Mother nature but hate to call it the will of Allah, the Almighty who commands total control on what happen on the heavens and the earth.

I agree entirely.