Lets see what the manufacturere has to say about Lays and its ingredients:










So, PEPSI Cola (Lays is a product of PEPSI) imports flavours for Lays (and PEPSI too) from thailand (IFF) which are certified Halaal by Central Islamic Committee of Thailand. Its from a Halaal source then. I wouldn't doubt on its lawfullness without a strong reason to do so.

~ Badal

That is a bit unfortunate but there are some bitter truths and realities behind it.

shaista said:

aggar humare Baba e Qaum ke nawase ki aisi halat hai to humara kia hoga?

The thing is, we don't care for the people "jinki apni koi pehchan nahi". Whatever Muhammad Ali Jinnah did for us didn't entitle his decendents the same respect and care. Its not like the case where a man builds a hospital and his children get free treatment there because they "own" the place. But, yes, we are morally bound to help the helpless if we can including the ones we are talking about. The people closer to us (relatives, neighbours, friends etc) deserve our attention more than the others and we may include our Quaid's decendents in the people who are closer to us but without any obligation.

I may also add some historic information that Quaid e Azam had only a daughter, Dina. But he disowned her in his life and said that she was'nt his daughter anymore. The reason was that she married a non-muslim (a Parsi) man. Marrying a non-muslim Haraam for a muslim woman in Islam. Thats another reason why many people who are aware of this don't care for his desendents.

shaista said:

main soochti hoon ke aggar kissi western country ke leader hote Mohammad Ali Jinnah to aaj unke nawase aisi zindagi to na guzaar rahe hote.

I would'nt bet on that. Some people think we are the worst nation and some think we are the best. I differ with both of these extremities.

shaista said:

Jin ka haq hai woh to dar dar ki thokarein khatey phirtey hain.

Haq?

Hukoomat ka Haq, do you mean? Janab ye koi badshahat tu hai nahi ke badshah ke baad hukoomat ka haq uskay betay ya nawasay ko milay. Though, i admit, hamaray haan aajkal aisa hi ho raha hai ke biwi ke baad shohar aur beta chairman and there are other examples too, but its wrong obviously.

Ya kothi main rehnay ka haq? But, as I have given my opinion above, they don't get any rights as a reward for their forefathers' work. However, one can favour them in any way as a token of gratitude for their forefathers' work for Pakistan. Otherwise, everyone needs to earn his own rights.


~ Badal

Ashii said:

nikama

ok let me add more quests
agar aik admi naik aur uss ki bv buri hai to usse to jannat mei HOOR mil jae gi,, but wot if aurat is naik and her husband is a bad man

Biwi achi bhi ho tab bhi Hoor mil jaye gi. Husband jannati nahi tu that woman will be married to some Jannati man. You can also ask about the men and women dying before getting married, some in childhood, some even before being born. All will be raised young and will be married to Jannati men/women.

Ashii said:

tell me one thing yar

hum logon ki zindagi mei konsa kaam shariyat ya islam k mutabik hota hai ??
konse kaam karte wakt hum yeh sochte hein k yeh jayaz hai k najayaz ??

our way of life
living style
society
soch
education
gvt
legislation

nothing is according to shariat
so y do we want "woman rights bill" in accordance with Quran and shariayt ???????????





pagal hein sab
sab k sabbbb pagal ho gae hein
just a way to create more and more pbs

You mean if most of the things are not according to Islam tu baki sab bhi chor dain? Very interesting

Waisay jab bhi "women" ki baat aati tu it always pisses you off

our way of life, living style, society, soch ko Islam kay mutabiq banana aap ka aur humara (AAM AADMI KA) kaam hai aur education & legislation govt ka. Education main kia cheez ghair Islami hai, will you point out? Agar kuch hai tu its minor. Waisay shaid aap kay ilm main nahi ya phir aap nazrain chura leti hain kay kuch sazaon (sentences) ko chor kar buhat say laws Islam kay mutabiq hi hain. Sirf kuch sazaon ki shakal badli gae hai aur kafi as-is hain. For example, hudood laws for both men and women, murder, rebellion, tauheen-e-risaalat etc. Ye aur baat hai kay aap main accept karnay ki courage nahi hai.

I read about this somewhere and believe it to be true and very logical that, in Jannah, a woman will be with that husband (ofcourse in case she had more than one marriages in her worldly life) who will be most pious and who will a higher rank in Jannah. (Urdu main ) Yani aurat apnay us husband kay sath hogi jis ko jannat main ziada uncha darja milay ga. Ofcourse, us shaks kay sath tu bilkul nahi jo uska husband raha ho magar usnay usay Tallaq de di ho.

Dont have much time, and the answer to this question can be very lengthy. Just adding to SD's first post.

As i could understand, by "aur jan'nay ki khahish" you mean "eagerness to find logics for various concepts". Kuch concept ki logic nahi milti tu we differ on that kyunkay "dil nahi manta". Login agar Quran, Hadith ya Fiqh main nahi batai gae aur wo concept Imaan ka hissa hai ya Ahadith say sabit hai tu we can still try tu find logic but cant differ. The reason is that human brain iss qabil nahin kay har baat ki logic dhoond sakay, har achi ya buri baat ko pehchan sakay. Agar aisa hota tu Allah ko apna Deen nazil karnay ki zaroorat hi na hoti. Ye Allah ka buhat bara Ihsaan hai hum par kay Us nay apnay Deen say humari madad ki. Jo Deen ko chor kar khud say Haq jannay ki koshish karay usay bewakoof kaha jana chahiye, he can never succeed.

Baqi jaisa SD nay kaha and others explained too.

I think meray kuch kehnay ki zaroorat nahi, kafi kuch kaha ja chuka hai Just wanna say, log hijab par tu rarely criticize kartay hai (kyunkay mushkil hai ) laikin ghar say bilawaja bahir nikalnay ko mana karnay par irritate ho jatay hain. But, I bet, agar unko bilawaja bahar ghar say bahir nikalnay ki ijazat de bhi di jaye tu bhi hijab observe nahi karain gay. Bahir (even zaroorat ki places like schools, colleges, work places etc) jain gay tu bahir konsa father ya husband dekh raha ho ga. Hijab say related masail par behas say matlab mostly hijab par hi aa jata hai. (Phool ki patiyaan aik aik kar kay tor di jain tu eventually phool hi khatam ho jaye ga na )

danie said:

javad said:

for muslims any singing activty is haram.. not only this.

Ya U R right. Lekin fir bhi hum log gaane pasand karte hei aur gungunate bhi hei.

Itne gaanon, Shair-shairiyon mei apne lover ke baare mei na jaane kya kya kaha jata hei. Us par kisi ko koi aitraz nahi hei lekin agar motherland ki shaan mei kuch kaha gaya to religen yaad aa gaya. Vaise India ka National aenthom ye poori poem nahin hei jo NB ne likhi hei. Iska kuch part hei. Poori ki poori aesi nahi hei.

Pakistan ke national Day ke mauke par aese gaane ammoman sunne ko mil jate hei jinme pakistan ko apne jaan, Iman aur bhi na jaane kya kya kaha jaata hei. Us par aap logon ko objection kyon nahi hota?

Apni Apni country sabko pyari hoti hei. Duniya ke sabhi mulk ke logon ke apni country ke baare mei aese emotions hote hei. Lekin iska matlab ye nahi hei ki aap usme apni taang unchi karke baith jaae. Agar kisi ko hinustan ka ye aenthom pasand nahi hei aur agar vo uski izzat hindustan mei rahkar nahi kar sakta to mere khayal se use hindustan chorr dena chahiye. Isme Indians ko koi objection nahin hei.

Baat ganaon (songs) ki hai hi nahi yahaan, aap ganon ko le kar bilawaja taqreer kar gaye. Agar ye plain words main bhi hoti (for example, in a prayer) tu bhi is kay parhnay par yahi fatwa lagta.

Aik national song aur aur aik aam song main zameen aasman ka farq hota hai. aam songs main agar kuch sinful words hotay hain tu aam songs tu kuch arsay main bhula diye jatay hain, jabkay aik national song bhulanay kay liye nahi hota. Agar muslims bhi ye song ganay lagain tu is say buhat bara fitna khara ho jaye ga jisko roknay kay liye ye fatwa bhi kam hai. Jis cheez say jitna severe fitna khara ho ga, us par reaction (fatwas, protests etc) bhi utna hi shadeed hoga aur hona bhi chahiye. This is abs logical, but ofcourse requires a brain to understand.

Pakistan kay national day par songs main shirk, wo bhi iss level ka? Jis par koi fatwa issue na hua ho? Any examples would be helpful.

"Apni Apni country sabko pyari hoti hei....Lekin iska matlab ye nahi hei ki aap usme apni taang unchi karke baith jaae...". Right, apna country sub ko pyara hota hai, laikin muslims kay liye apna deen Islam ziada pyara hota hai. And also, ye fatwa sirf muslims par laga hai, wo bhi sirf ginti kay 54, sab indians par tu nahi laga. Na hi hindus ya kisi aur (muslims kay ilawa) ko ye song ganay say mana kiya gaya hai. Na hi indian national song ki beizzati ki gae hai (dont tell me that isko shirk kehna beizzati hai ). So, actually, koi bhi aap kay kay muamlaat main tang unchi nahi kar raha, bulkay aap muslims kay muamlaat main interfere kar rahay hain, whether intentionally or unintentionally.

Agree to SD bro. Every word of this articles shows it is a work of those for whom the only source of guidance is Quran (more specifically, their own interpretation of Quran as opposed to the interpretation of Quran in/with Hadith) throwing aside the the valueable collection of Hadith which is the real explanation of Quran.

But SD, I dont think they reject Hadith only because of some weak and fabricated Ahadeeth. Talk to them and they will show you Ahadith from Bukhari and Muslim too which may seem questionable to people with little knowledge and sense (and will try to impose their own interpretation on you too). In my opinion, the root of this evil is their Jahaalat and probably their eagerness to get rid of the restrictions imposed by our relegion Islam.

SALL said:

yeh mujhe nahi pata tha
hmmm,, yani kazaa namaz kafara nahi maafi ka aik tareeka hai
right, its good to know that


hum to vitr bhi parh lete hein

haan, kaffara nahi hai, jis tarah aik rozay (fasting) kay kaffaraa ka aik tareeka 60 rozay hain, namaz ziada imp obligation hai, iss ka kaffara hota tu kam az kam 60 times tu hota. laikin nahi hai kyun namaz ka kaffara possible nahi hai, Allah apni rehmat say maaf farma day bas.

>> QAZA E UMRI <<

main bhi isi ki baat kar raha tha, ye shaid kisi zaeef hadith main hi milay ya phir kisi buzurg kay khawb main ( ), laikin in par zaeef aitaqad kay log hi amal kartay hain. ye tareeka shaid kisi nay is liye ghara ho ga kay log bas saal main aik din hi namaaz parhain (QAZA E UMRI) aur baki saal namaz say door rahain.

Fajar ki sunnat aur Isha kay witr ka masla tu aur hai, i think ye subject nahi tha. par koi ye bataye kay fajar kay sunnat tu fajar ka hissa hain, kia witr bhi isha ka hissa hain?

(Ab tu maheenay main aik baar hi post karnay ka moqa milta hai )

SALL said:

me ne kahin suna hai k kazaa namaaz adaa karne ka aik aur tareeka bhi hai
like agar bohot si namazein kazaa ho gai hon to unhein kaise parha jae

Assalam o alaikum,

Well, main nay bhi suna/parha hai kay "itni" rakaat namaz "iss iss tarah" parhain aur phir "ye" tasbeeh/duain parhain to last "itne ya utne" saalon ki missed prayers ka kaffara ho jayega ga. agar aisa kuch hai bhi tu sachi touba say mashroot hai, warna hadees shareef main tu ye hai kay agar hum sari zindagi bhi nawafil ada kartay rahain tu bhi aik missed namaz ka kaffara ada nahi kar saktay.

qaza namaz farz namaz ki replacement nahi hai, na hi is niyyat say parhni chahiye. i think ye tu is liye parhi jati hai kay hadeed shareef main hai kay hisaab kay din jab insaan ki farz namazain kam hoon gi tu Allah un ko nawafil say poora karay ga (for whom He wishes), aur ye qaza namazain (which is identical to nawafil) us din kaam anay ki umeed hai. warna nawafil tu kam log hi parhtay hain.

btw, as far as i know, qaza sirf farz namaz ki hoti hai, is liye Isha kay witr ki qaza nahi, kyunkay wo wajib hain farz nahi. isi tarah Eid ki naazon ki bhi qaza nahi hoti.

nikama said:

thanks for kind info,though i knew it already

Thanks
but the proper way to do it is to qustion about it so that othrs may know in details, instead of negating/falsifying it. is tarah tu aap kai logoon ko bhatka dain gay you know most ppl will accept the wrong withot thinking about it bcause it may seem beneficial and attactive to them. wrong?

SALL said:

Badal said:

SALL said:

this system is introduced by ppl who practice SOODI KAROBAR

introduced or exploited?? well, ye system tu 1400 saal say hai, isnt it?

i didnt know that "islamic fund" exist since 1400 yrs,, stk ex k baare mei meri knowledge kafi kam hai

agar aisa hai to i shd say its now EXPLOITED by wrong ppl


nice to see ya here

I didnt talk about "islamic fund", though it too existed 1400 years ago (try to remind... its bait-ul-maal). i was talking about islamic concept of financing or banking (isnt it the subject of this topic?) though banking is much more than that, it is not just saving, lending, and investment.

obviously 1400 saal pehlay is tarah kay aur in kamoon kay liye institutions nahi thay. well, us wakt to proper armies bhi nahi theen, na koi cantonments, etc. ye sab tu properly organise karnay kay liye banaye jatay hain. Islam main saving kay 2 hi tareeekay hain, Qarz aur Amanat (1400 saal pehlay nahi thay kiya? ). aajkal bhi yahi 2 hi hain, farq sirf itna hai kay sath interest aur doosri ghair sharai chezain bind kar di gayeen hain.

you previously said it seems to be an advert for ISLAMIIC BANK. well, there is no such bank named ISLAMIC BANK. 14 banks are mentioned in this articles, how cab be its an adv then for any particular bank? kaheen koi islamophobia tu nahi ho gaya na aap ko?

as you said these are the ppl who also pratise soodi karobar, well, besides explitation its may also be a transition from soodi to non-soodi karoobar. if some one is doing this transition (in whole, or in part for ppl who want islamic financing) we should encourage them instead of criticizing them. criticism may lead others to think you are against islamic banking etc. at least unlogoon ko tu bakhs dena chahiye jo purely sharai tareekay say banking kar rahay hain.

nice to see me? thanks some ppl may be sorry to see me

Badal said:

nikama said:

there is no concept of banking in islam,islam encourages its followers to spend not to save.hamain her cheez ko khamakha islamize kerne ki bimari ho gai he.there is nothing wrong in musharika and mudhariba though

No concept? think again..., banking isnt just SAVING, or is it? also if we want to save then why not in islamic way? ppl do save 1400 years ago dear. think again about it with open mind and eyes

Adding more, "islam encourages its followers to spend" (not spend, but utilize in a proper way) but does not forbid from saving. and one form of saving, qarz, isnt saving in itself, it is a utilization of money (unlike locked money). well, its also islamically encouraged...

agar hum halal khana aur khilana chahtay hain tu islamize tu karna hi parayga kyunkay islam hi decide karta hai halal kiya hai aur haram kia hai. ye "beemari" tu har us shaks k honi chahiye jo apnay aap ko musalman samajhta hai.

need more?

nikama said:

there is no concept of banking in islam,islam encourages its followers to spend not to save.hamain her cheez ko khamakha islamize kerne ki bimari ho gai he.there is nothing wrong in musharika and mudhariba though

No concept? think again..., banking isnt just SAVING, or is it? also if we want to save then why not in islamic way? ppl do save 1400 years ago dear. think again about it with open mind and eyes

SALL said:

this system is introduced by ppl who practice SOODI KAROBAR

introduced or exploited?? well, ye system tu 1400 saal say hai, isnt it?

muslim said:

but sall in islam there is no clear distinction between sood and present money value

there is no distinction? how? can you explain please?

nikama said:

when the case of ribba was decided by supreme court,they clearly mentiomed that depreciation cant be used as an excuse for exess amount.i dont remeber the correct refrence but i will try to find out.besides there is no economic system in islam.

no economic system? sometimes aisa lagta hai aap sirf naam hi kay nikama nahi hain... agar kisi ko aik cheez kay baray main maloom nahi tu is ka ye matlab nahi kay wo cheez hai hi nahi. or??

muslim said:

well its a huge topic but here i want in4mation abt sood [interest rates including simple and compound]   in view of the following situation
if a man borrows 1000000 rs frm a muslim and promises to return it in 5years
when the man returns 1000000 after 5 years the value of money will b depreciated considerably so under such circumstances how one can apply a non-sood economic system

accounting for the the depreciation in the value of money is not prohibited, neither it is riba (sood), so the question "under such circumstances how one can apply a non-sood economic system" is irrelevant, because its not riba at all. what a borrower has to return is the VALUE he borrowed, and money represents that VALUE at that time. any additional amount on that value is riba.

nikama said:

i talked abt it to few others friends.our collective opinion is that in islam only some standerds have been set that are to be abided by the ruler.as for the form of gov.arabs had this tribal system in vogue in which usually the chief belonged to a certain family.like if father died son would step in his shoes.but after the death of the holy prophetp.b.u.h.,muslims chose to have a kaliph who did not necessarily have to belong to ehle-e-bait,the family of holy prophet.the family of the prophet indeed had some reservations regarding this but this is another topic.anyway,the true khilfat ceased to exist after the martyrdom of hazrat ali,and was replaced by the dynasties of ummaya and abbasia.those rulers although still called caliphs were just kings who had sharia as the general law of the state but the implementation of sharia was at the will of the ruler some of them were very pious other really ba****ds,but they were all essentially dictators who only used the name of caliphat for their own interests.all around the world ppl were ruled by dictators.they did not have any say in gov.affairs till the society evolved and finally democracy began to replace the old forms of gov.it can be truelly islamic if the sharia is the supreme law of the state and if the rulers fulfill the conditions laid down by the religion regarding the charecter and conducts of the rulers.otherwise democracy is just another kind of dictator ship.your comments?

i disagree with most of it, khilafat from the first khalifa to the last one was far better than the democracy being observed today. Kingship, dictatorship? These are the words and beliefs of SIR Abul A'la Modudi, isnt it? This is the result of ignoring the princilples of judgement laid down by our relegion.

muslim said:

now v cant say v shd all have horses or cammels . i mean there is an evolutionary process of mind our religion guides us and showswhat v shd do in diff situations

     same is the case wid democracy and khilafat khilafat was the best when there was nt a reliable election possible bt now it is .

Aww.. muslim, there is a lot of difference between a Mubah thing (riding cars, horces or even donkeys) and a Sharai issue which affect the whole nation, isnt it? Also, there is no such thing as EVOLUTION in already prescribed Islamic deeds and norms.

Someone says, pehlay Kaba chota tha ab bara ho gaya hai, ab sab ko wahaan ja kar namaz parhni chahiye. evolution?

din chotay ho gaye hain, time tezi say guzar raha hai, ab 5 ki jaga 2 namazain honi chahiyen ya 30 ki bajaye 15 rozay honay chahiyen.

brain reading machines aa gaeen hain, ab murder case ka faisla 2 gawahoon ki bajaye brain read kar kay karna chahiye. what do you think?

"there was nt a reliable election possible"? who says? at that time each person by his own hand used to make his agreement, and rulers used to be choosen by learned people not by juhalas, how can it be more reliable to fill up the ballet boxes (are you sure your vote in the box is indeed yours? i m not) by common people who dont even know the person whom they are giving their vote? Amazing!

Shahenshah said:

if mullas tell u k khalifa is the only true government body...then tell them k khalifa khuda banata hae...and now that khilafat muslims se chini ja chuki hae...hum kidher se apni taraf se koi khalifa bana den? so i think demoracy is the rite thing for the time being

Now bazi here you go, but in reverse. Who said to you kay khalifa khuda banata hai? Hazrat Abu bakr, Umar, Usman, Ali ko kia khuda nay khalifa banaya tha? Nah, shura nay banaya tha, aur shura main insaan hi thay. So better to be silent without knowldge.

nikama said:

hmmm,main bhi yehi samjhta hoon,ager hum khilafat ko maan bhi lain to khalifa ko choose kon kare ga,but they say that democracy is un-islamic coz in islam u cant present your self for a designation,or post.is it right?

Shahenshah said:

ok...even if i agree to them democaracy is un-islamic, then tell them to go find a khalifa for u and u'll follow em this way, u'll just throw the ball in their court and make them speechless...

remember...anything they say, just say..yup, i agree, now where can i find the khalifa?

**i know it;s not matter of joke, but esaay logoon se esee tarah nibatna parta hae - unfortunatly...

nikama said:

yea,unfortunately

Bazi, you will be doing a mistake if you throw THIS ball in their court if you dont want Khilafat they will certainly choose a Khalifa jo at least Bush & Mush say behtar hoga aur phir aap afsos kartay reh jain gay.

nikama, i want expecting this from you. you mean gadhoon ko insaan banaynay kay liye khud gadhay ban jao? unfortunately? And what about Islam's teachings of preaching with Hikmat and patience, knowledge and argument?

Yes it is true, the person who asks for a designation for himself isnt islamically eillegible fot it, unless there isnt a better person than him and he merely intends to serve the nation better (dont tell me that only Allah knows our intentions). There were several example of this in the time of our Prophet when he rejetected many persons wishing authorty for themselves.

nikama said:

some say that democracy is.others argue that only khilafat is the true islamic mod of governance.still some others think that presidential form is truely islamic.what exactly is the ideal form of gov.in islam?sometimes ago in a debate with some mullas of a religious party,i said that there is no restriction in islam abt the form as long as the ruler/s act on sharia as his/their supreme law.but they rejected my view point.what do u have to say abt it

Democracy it (in its current form) has nothing to do with Islam. Once someone asked Allama Iqbal about democracy, he quoted someone in his 'sher',
"Jamhooriat ik tarz e hukomat hai kay jis main,
bandoon ko gina kartay hain tola nahi kartay."

And someone else said, "jamhooriat main ghoray (horces) aur gadhay (donkeys) dono barabar hotay hain".

jabkay Islam main aisa nahi hai, and its unnatural too. 100 nabeena aik beena shaks kay barabar nahi ho saktay, isi tarah aik Aalim ka opinion 100 united jahiloon kay opinion say behtar hai. If you get injured to tankay lagwanay kay liye surgeon/doctor kay pass jain gay ya kisi mochi kay pass? Its very simple, i dont know logoon ko samajh kyun nahi ata.

Ideal form of Islamic govt tu Khilafat hi hai (who says its not ideal? anyone?) there is no contradictory opinion from any AUTHENTIC source. question tu sirf itna tha kay ab jabkay khilafat nahi hai tu kia koi Islamic govt hi nahi hai? No, sirf khilafat hi islamic govt nahi hai (though it is 'ideal form') any govt which is truly based on Islam (its constitution is Quran, Sunnah and Shariah) is also Islamic govt. laikin naam kay sath Islami jamhoria likh denay say koi govt Islamic govt nahi banti.

Islamic democracy (election of Khalifa) ye hai kay Shura decide karti hai kay kon banay ga kalifa, aur sirf learned and kabil log hi hotay hain shura main (now dont ask me kay learned aur kabil log kon hotay hain). But there are much flexibility in Islam regarding this (but not that kay common ppl bhi hukmaran elect kar saktay hain), and much to say about it.

hawwa ki beti said:

G - genrator

O - operator

D - distroyer

Very true.

SALL said:

true

but sounds like hindu trinity
brahma, vishnu, shiva

Why it sounds like it? Arent they qualities of Allah Soch liya karain bolnay say pehlay...

Smooth_daddy said:

Allah almighty is above what you may comprehend of Him. All the men and Jinn using up all the resources to mention His glory, can't do it because He's much more than that.

SD, who is trying to comprehend of Him? He and His Prophet mentioned hundreds of His qualities, many are in His very Names, and these are a few of them (Generator: Al Bbari, Al Khaliq, Al Mubdi', Operator: Al Muqeet, Al Wali, Destroyer: Al Qahhar, Al Ba'is). We are ordered to praise Him, mention His glory, even if we cant do it using up all the resources of the earth and the sea. So... i think you understand what i want to say, such comments can discourage the author.

muslim said:

but u guys tell me dat can we understand God
i mean He Who is the creator of everything even our languages and our words r created by Him so how v can xplain God in our languages and our words

Muslim, who is trying to explain Him, should i ask it again? Your MARS question is out of the context of the topic. As i wrote above, its just the mentioning of His qualities. Allah, His Prophets, and all of His creation praises Him by any means worthy of Him. Ah, do you want we should stop praising Him or stop mentioning His qualities? Think before you speak, and think twice before criticizing others.

Hey bazi kia ho gaya hai aap ko, aap jab bhi atay hain Rendezvous par ronaq aa jati hai

Bazi, mod 5 hoon ya 10 is say kia fark parta hai, ye koi professional forum tu hai nahi, na hi kisi mod ko salary milti hai moderation ki, all are volunteers, is liye is tarah kay quesions kesay kiye ja saktay hain? its a family forum (or it is supposed to be) so it should not be a problem or cause of any curiosity.

purpose of this rendezvous section? i think it for questions regarding forum usage, if we have any problem while browing, posting etc. And for suggestions and feedback, but its upto the management to consider them, we can give opinion/feedback but cannot impose it upon them. Ye koi trivia corner tu nahi hai na kay jo CURIOUS question zehan main aya foran post kar diya...

waisay aap ko jawab diya tu tha kisi mod nay kay ye management ka masla hai (and it IS), so its better to leave on them. its an entertainment forum, tu isay entertainmnt hi rehnay dain

Aww.. Bazu, you are back! , nice, welcome (i think i am too late )

I think is topic main aap ka pupose sirf critisize karna hi tha, otherwise you know there is no contradiction in the verses you mentioned. Anyways..

Conditions?

"one of the conditions is that your children must be muslims" (penelope91), that is what a common Muslim knows in plain language. SD, i agree to you, but you replied in a GOL MOL language. you didnt stated clearly what is our responsibility is this regard, to make them a good muslim. During their childhood, we can not allow them to learn or our non muslim wife to teach them any relegion other than Islam, otherwise we will be comitting a major sin. We have to teach them (or provide them with a teacher to teach) Islam. Then, after puberty, as you said, they will be free to make their own decisions. If we know that these conditions cant be met then its not allowed for us to marry a non muslim woman.

Children must be muslims would simply mean (as it appears to me) children must be grown as we grow our childern from muslim women as a muslim. Its not like enforcing them to be muslim. Similarly we cant make any agreement like half of the children will be taught Islam and half christianity/judaism. If we agreed to even for one of the children to be non muslim, we will be comitting kufr.

SD, you mentioned the son of Hazrat Noah who was a non muslim. I cant see any any relation between this case and his being a non muslim despite his father being a Prophet. Is it prooved that he was born after Hazrat Noah's Prophethood? Or that Hazrat Noah married a non believing woman after his prophethood? Both of these are not true (most probably acording to history/traditions). What we know is that his son didnt accepted his prophethood and Islam after he announced his prophethood. He was already a mature man. Similar is the case with the wife of Hazrat Loot who didnt accepted Islam. How can it be conneted to marrying a non muslim and growing childern as muslims?

Bazi, you are refering to the topic "Some Ayats from Quran", (word by word?), true? I was missing from JB at that time, and when when i came back you were missing. I was going to explain those verses, and explained only one (out of 5 DL mentioned) but dropped the rest because I thought you wont come back and read them (and others may not be interested). Read my last post in that topic and see how badly DL translated the verse. If you need answers to other Questions raised by you too i will post them too. (But I wont be there again for next 2 to 3 weeks).

sara_kh said:

I dont agree with the #2 k nikah marzi k baghair bhi ho jata hai
if i remember it correct (please correct me if im wrong)
k once a woman came to Prophet P.B.U.H and said that are nikah was not with her conscent and the Prophet SAWS said that her marriage is to be dissolved...

please correct me if im wrong anywhere bcoz what i wrote is to the best of my knowledge

I said "wali (guardian) ki marzi kay baghair", it was not "apni marzi kay baghair", meaning guardian ki marzi kay baghair nikah valid hota hai.

Aur agar khud iqrar kar liya whether willingly or unwillingly tu bhi nikah valid hoga. agar inkar kar day tu obviously valid nahi hoga. Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: "There are three things which, whether taken seriously or in jest, are treated as serious (and the effect of them occur in all circumstances): Marriage (nikah), divorce (tallaq) and taking one’s wife back (raj’a)." (Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan Tirmidhi, Sunan Ibn Majah). Nikah by force, or while intoxicated comes under the ruling for jest, where one has free will of speech as opposed to sleep and insanity where one has not a free will of speech.

And the hadith you mentioned, though you didnt give any refference, it means after nikah she told the Prophet that nikah wasnt with her consent (it might be by force) so the Prophet dissolved the nikah which is called Khula, he didnt say that nikah was void or so but dissolved it (as you mentioed). Women have right of Khula as men can give Tallaq.

shahrukh khan said:

i have heard yahudi ko ghar khane pe dawat de sakte hain...leken usko ghar main raat nahi rehne de sakte...reason?

dawat dena? par aap log discuss kar rahay hai dawat par khud jana, but it doesnt matter.

Allah permitted us to eat with AHLE KITAAB (people of the book, both jews and christians), but only that food which is lawful in Islam.

raat rehnay kay baray main mujhay exact maloom nahi. but obviously Allah nay unhain humara dushman bataya hai tu dushman kay ghar raat guzarna kahan ki akalmandi hogi agar Allah ki baat par imaan hai tu.

humain muslims kay sath husn e zun rakhnay ka hukam hai is liye Muslims have right to be trusted in.

agar kisi hole say gandagi nikal kar aap kay ghar main gir rahi ho tu us gandagi ko saaf karna akalmandi hai ya wo hole band kar dena jo gandagi ka source hai? i think its very simple, its common sense.

channels band karna asaan hai, logoon ko dekhnay say rokna ya khud rukna mushkil hai. agar agovt level par jahaan kam log involve hotay hain kaam karna asaan laikin sari nation ko karna par jaye tu mushkil hota hai. its also common sense.

Islamically, jis tarah aap par apnay bachoon ki responsibility hai, isi tarah govt par poori nation ki responsibility hai. Humaray Nabi nay farmaya, har shaks nigahban hai aur har shaks say unsi raiyat kay baray main sawaal hoga, buhat bar sun aur parh chukay hain hum, phir pata nahi kyun yaad nahi rehta.

aur channels bhi close ho saktay, chahay wo cable ho ya wireless, aur internet illegal stuff bhi. internet kay baray main govt level par baat bhi chali thi, and only PTCL or PTC was required put the filters in the cetral data servers, magar apply is liye nahi kiya gaya kay is tarah internet ki speed slow ho jati hai kuch (1 or 2 sec?), content checking and analyzing ki waja say. laikin govt kay kuch evil minded ppl ko speed ziada pyaari hai apni awaam say (maybe unkay personal interests bhi hoon).

SALL said:

in Islam men and women have equal rights
except the right of LEADERSHIP (reserved to men)

this is not entirely correct. only men can lead congregations in which men are present as in Prayer, armed forces, etc. women can lead congregations which consist of women only (women only prayers, tablighi jamaats etc). same applies to a home. if there is no (baligh) man, then a woman can lead.

SALL said:

a leader,, or lets say
MEN ARE PROTECTORS AND MAINTAINORS OF WOMEN

protectors and mainainers are not called leaders. protection and maintainence is men's relegious duty and responsibility, as looking after the kids is the duty of women. in case of need, both men and women can help each other in carrying out their duties. this has nothing to do with leadreship.

SALL said:

does it mean one who cant fulfil his duty cant declare himself as a leader

now probably you are referring to protection/maintenance and not real leadership. Islam does not allow a man to marry if he cant maintain a family, perform his duties and give them (family) their right (protection/maintenace). Although marriage will be valid but he will Gunahgaar.

i agree to jjpr, its bcos we have left message of Islam jis nay shadeed nafrat karnay waloon kay diloon main muhabbat daal di thi. its lack of knowledge, understanding, and patience.