SALL said:

stariz said:

and all I know it's that things based on IMAN and if our IMAN is powerful then nobody can take over nor even love. Keep in mind ALLAH and HIS RASOOL (SAW) come first then later our PARENTS and LOVE

bilkulllll sahi,, aik dammm sahi
but plz,, now dont tell me k mard ka iman aurat k imaan se zyada mazboot hota hai

coz it s a serious discussion aur meri hansi nikal jae gi

yahaan aap bilkul sahi keh rahi hain kay aurt aur mard kay iman farq nahi karna chahiye, but, by the way, stariz tu aisa kuch nahi likha jis ka aap nay yeh ridiculous answer dya hai. Unhoon ne kaha tha “if our IMAN is powerful” yeh tu nahi kaha tha kay mard ka. You should read this carefully. Aur unhoon nay jis flow main baat ki hai us main unhoon nay pehlay mard aur aurat donoon ka zikar kia hai is liye waisay bhi is ka yeh meaning ho bhi nahi sakta jo aap ne liya hai. Mard ka iman mazboot ho gat u wo correct decion le ga kay wo us situation main non muslim say shadi karay ya nahi even he is allowed. Aur aurat ka imaan mazboot ho tu wo Allah kay decision kay khilaf kuch karnay ka tasavvur bhi nahi karaygi.

Bazigaar said:

i am muslim too, but should men and women not be treated equally? if men r allowed, then why not women?

Here comes a general misconception about “Women’s Rights in Islam”. None will be going to explain here that what he/she means by “equal rights” if I ask you all. Does it means if men has 101 rights then women should also have 101 rights? Or it means that if a man has two wives (quite legal in Islam) then the woman should also have the right to have two husbands? Or it means that women born babies so men should also have right to born babies? What a ridiculous argument!. Islam does give every right to every woman she deserves, ALLAH knows better what she deserves and what she is capable of, that is our faith. And you may be well known that Islam gives the most rights to our mother in our relations, isn’t she a woman? I mean to say Allah has given some special rights to one sex only and some to the other, and no one is going to challenge Allah.

SALL said:

stariz said:

acha agar gor karo toa aysa english countries ma hi ziada hota hai ka muslim man marry with a non muslim lady and mostly it happens ka woh non muslim lady sooner or later muslimah ban jati hai.

aisa sirff western countries mei iss liye hota k paki non muslims (hindus or christians) in pak are cosidered as "lower class"   
yep hindu traditions practiced by muslims ;)

mujhay aap kay is comment ki theek tarah say samajh nahi aee. Aap baat tu western countries ki kar rahi hai kay wahaan aisa is liye hota hai jabkay reference Pakistani socity ka de rahi hain. Hai na ajeeb baat. And you should correct “paki”, it is “Pakistani”, not “paki” remember it. And also aapki yeh baat bilkul ghalat hai kay Pakistan main non muslims ko lower class samjha jata hai, Pakistan main minorities ko jitne rights diye jatay hain itna shayed hi kisi country main diyay jatay hoon. France main beth kar Pakistan kay baray main comments deney say parhaiz karain.

SALL said:

jahan tak non muslim lady k convert hone ka taluk hai to,, u r ignoring alll these couples jo 3/4 yrs baad seperate ho jate hein,, and believe me unn ki tadaad bohott zyada hai
waise aik baat i know lot of muslims jo europe mei reh k convert to nahi hue but they r no more muslims,,
mahol ka asar...................... khair

jee bilkul buhat se couple ¾ years baad separate ho jatay hain, laikin aap yeh bhool gaeen kay in countries main non muslim couples ka haal is say hi bura hai aur wahaan separation hona koi unhooni baat nahi hai, jis tarah muslim countries main liya jata hai.
Aap yahaan topic say deviate kar rahi hain, khair, aur yeh baat kay they are no more muslims, still they are better than no muslims laikin yeh baat sahi hai kay akhlaaq girtay ja rahay hain, like apnay hi religion kay rules par criticism… aur yeh haal western countries ka nahi kafi muslim countries ka bhi hai, but that was out topic.

SALL said:

stariz said:

per kabhe ya sona hai ka koi non muslim man kisi muslim lady ki muhabat ma muslim hoa ho? it's another thing

yeppp,, rite
hai na hairat ki baaat,,,
did u ever think aisa kyun hota hai ???
coz we muslims gals know (im not talking abt allll gals) well that such marriage d never ever b accepted in our families and so we never let a non muslim guy become more than a simple collegue or friend
hmmmm.. things r changing now

yeh tu aap nay bhi mana kay koi non muslim mard kisi muslim lady kay liye muslim nahi hoa, and that is, of course, right. But jo reason aap nay batai that is absolutely wrong and misleading too. Yeh jo reason aap nay batai hai yeh tu completely religion say bezaari ki taraf point out karti hai, I hope it is not the case with you. The reason is that most of the people just not want to change their religion, and those, specially non-muslim, who change religion for just marrying a woman would most probably revert to their old religion after marriage. Aap nay aisay log bhi tu aakhir daikhay hoon gay. So extreme care is to be taken. Yeh tu aaj kal jo ho raha hai us ki baat thi, bari waja tu yeh hai most muslim women very well know that it is not allowed for a woman to marry a non moslim rather than thinking that their families would not accept him, and they are quite satisfied with it. And “things are changing now”, remember our Islam was the same, is the same, and will be the same, there is nothing going to change in it. All desired changing in Islam will put the desirer out of Islam.

stariz said:

haan agar man ko ijazat ha then there is a reason behind it. maybe he could guide her wife toward Islam and why not. think about it.

rite
in same way y a wife cant guide her husband toward islam ???

stariz said:

and all I know it's that things based on IMAN and if our IMAN is powerful then nobody can take over nor even love. Keep in mind ALLAH and HIS RASOOL (SAW) come first then later our PARENTS and LOVE

bilkulllll sahi,, aik dammm sahi
but plz,, now dont tell me k mard ka iman aurat k imaan se zyada mazboot hota hai

coz it s a serious discussion aur meri hansi nikal jae gi

SALL said:

stariz said:

agar muslim woman kisi non muslim sa shadi karti hai toa who's the first priority? husband na? i mean jis sa woh pyaar karti hai usko apna sab kuch manti hai.. then what will be her child? adhay muslim, adhay non muslim?

EXACTLY.. that was my point
coz i think agar koi muslim man non muslim woman se shadi kare to he surely love her a lot,,, jiss se woh pyaar kare ga uss ki baat kyun na maane,,
their children can b half muslim n half non muslim

yahaan I think stariz kuch ghalat likh gaey jis par aap buhat khush hui hain. Muslim chahay aurrat ho ya mard uski first priority uska religion Islam hota hai or at least hona chahiye. If if is not the case, then I am not talking about those people. And remember abhi may nay likha tha kay there are certain conditions that are to be met before marrying a non muslim women, aur un main aik yeh hai kay he will have to ensure that his kids are not going be non muslims. If after marriage he allows his kids to be non muslim tu wo kufar ka murtakib hoga, and you may well know what it means. Aur isi fitnay ko roknay kay liye kaha gya kay sirf Islamic territories main hi non muslim aurat say shadi ki jaey.

SALL said:

btw,,, aap kissi aise couple ko jante ho jiss mei se aik muslim aur aik non muslim ho
wot abt their kids ???
all couples i met (muslim guy married to non muslim woman) unn k bache "muslims" nahi hein
and normaly aise couples mei jhagra bhi tabhi start hota hai jab bache bare hona start hote hein,, and they have to choose their own lifestyle
(par khair,,, no objection from my side, its their own pb)

Definitely aap in couples say apnay country main hi mili hoon gi tu aap nay khud dekh liya kay bachay tu gaey Islam say aur wo khud bhi gunahgaar huay, that might not be the case in muslim countries jahaan bachay apna lifestyle apni nahi balkay apnay religion Islam ki marzi say choose kartay hain.

Now a few words about the discussion which was going here.

SALL said:

hmmmm...

im sorry but beshak Islam sirf mard ko non muslim se shadi ki permission deta hai aur aurat ko nahi im unable to understand it

Very well said Islam sirf mard ko non muslim aurat (only Ahl-e-Kitab) say shadi ki permission deta hai, but under certain conditions, remember it. And also sirf Islamic societies main is ki ijazat hai, agar Dar-ul-Kufr main shadi karta hai tu yeh Makrooh-e-Tanzeehi (close to Haraam) hai aur agar Dar-ul-Hurb main karta hai tu yeh Makrooh-e-Tehreemi hai. And you said you were unable to understand it, so you don’t need tu understand it too kyunkay har baat agar aap ko samjhna hoti tu yeh religions kis marz ki dawa hain? Itnay rasool kyun bhej diye Allah ne? Is liye kay insaan ki akal mehdood hai, har baat nahi samajh satka. Aur doosri baat yeh kay when you say you are a muslim then you have to abide by the rules of Islam whether you can understand it or not. If anyone refuses to accept it then he/she has nothing to do with Islam. And third one, it is not so difficult to understand it, continue reading and searching, you will be satisfied.

SALL said:

aik taraf it s said "marry a religious and pious woman coz ussi ne tumhare bachon (and next generation) ki parwarish karni hai
aur doosri taraf "a man is responsible how to lead his family"

it sounds sooooooo *****************
confusing

Correct again kay aurat nay hi bachoon ki parwarish karni aur mard nay supervise karna hai tu is main confusion kit u koi baat nahi hai. Perhaps aap ko bhool gya kay nikah namay par likha hota hai kay aurat aur aulad ki zarooriaat poori karna mard ki responsibility hai, tu wo is liye hai kay wo aulaad ki sahi tarah parwarish kar sakay unhain poora wakt de sakay, unki tarbiyat kar sakay, aur mard ki responsibility hai wo unki zarooryat poori karay. Islam nay mard ko family ka head banaya hai, tu supervise bhi tu wohi karay ga. Aap ko President, Prime minister, Governors ki posts samajhnay main koi preshani nahi hoti tu aurat aur mard ki responsibilities ki kyun samajh nahi aati.

SALL said:

hehehehehheee...
koi pasand hota to i dont think that id think twice
coz socha pasand karne se pehle jata hai

stariz said:

agar muslim woman kisi non muslim sa shadi karti hai toa who's the first priority? husband na? i mean jis sa woh pyaar karti hai usko apna sab kuch manti hai.. then what will be her child? adhay muslim, adhay non muslim?

EXACTLY.. that was my point
coz i think agar koi muslim man non muslim woman se shadi kare to he surely love her a lot,,, jiss se woh pyaar kare ga uss ki baat kyun na maane,,
their children can b half muslim n half non muslim

btw,,, aap kissi aise couple ko jante ho jiss mei se aik muslim aur aik non muslim ho
wot abt their kids ???
all couples i met (muslim guy married to non muslim woman) unn k bache "muslims" nahi hein
and normaly aise couples mei jhagra bhi tabhi start hota hai jab bache bare hona start hote hein,, and they have to choose their own lifestyle
(par khair,,, no objection from my side, its their own pb)

Assalam o Alaikum,

Today I read the topic “Marriage between Muslims and Non-Muslims”, all the questions and answers. Here I found different schools of thought, someone trying to explain an issue in a so simple manner, someone criticizing ridiculously, someone laughing at and even refusing to accept the laws of their own religion Islam (I am afraid).

Stariz described what the topic was, in detail, and later tried to explain it in a rather simple manner. The arguments were not in fact quite satisfying to the criticizers (SALL..?). I think the reason was that some points were completely ignored that were critical to the topic. The topic “Marriage between Muslims and Non-Muslims” obviously depends on “The Marriage” itself, that is, the relation between a man and a woman, and since the religion under discussion is Islam, it should be “The Marriage in Islam”. It should be better called “Nikah”, the proper word in Islam. So I strongly recommend you all criticizers to read http://www.muhammad.net/islamiat/marriage/intermarriage.htm.

A paragraph from this link:

Islam considers the husband head-of-the-family and therefore requires that a Muslima cannot marry a non-Muslim because she will be under the authority of a non-muslim husband. He may prevent her from carrying out her religious obligations by either pressuring her or physically abusing her. But it is not the sole reason for imposing the restriction. The situation is considered very damaging for the woman to practise Islam
afterwards and even worse for the kids in such marriages. There are NO conditions mentioned under which a Muslim woman IS allowed to get married or remain married to a non-Muslim husband after she has accepted Islam. Therefore, even if she has freedom
to practise Islam after marriage, she is NOT allowed to enter into an inter-faith marriage.