kash_beauty said:

ZEESHANAHMED said:

lagta hai aap ko aisay samajh nahi aeygi, batana hi parayga. tu dear aik muslim ko yeh zeb nahi deta kay wo is tarah khulay aam kisi say "valentinity" ka izhaar karay, aur specialy jab wo ho bhi non muslim. aee samajh ya nahi??

first of all no dear bear..
ek MUSLIM ko yeh zeeb nahin deta k woh kisi anjaan lardki ko dear keh kar pukaray

kaun kitna muslim hai or kitna nahin..yeh os k or ALLAH k dermiyan hai..hum kaun hotay hein iss baat ka faisla karnay walay

Islam nay humain sistor brother banay hai, aur doosri baat yeh kay soch achi honi chahiye you could take it as "dear sister", aur phir bhi aitaraz hai tu i am really sorry.

faisla tu allah ne karna hai par Allah nay sahi baat batanay say kisi ko nahi roka, bulkay hukam dia hai.

kArObi_sA said:

Jargh Baras Sawan Ghir Aiyoo

Zeesh Jee Jb Jio And Jeenay Do K Asoolon Par Chalta Hay Na Aap DIl Par Mat Lain Naa,,, Give It To Me Meray empty Brain Main Kuch To Ho

And Jia Jee Leave it.Net

Larhna Jagharhaaaa La La La laaa

yeh jio aur jeenay do ka concept meri samajh say bahi hai, kia is yeh matlab hai kay koi wrong karta hai tu karnay do dont enen try to correct him, koi kisi kisi well main jump laga raha ho tu kia aap usay rokain ge nahi? mean tu say koi zabardasti tu nahi kar sakta par samjha tu sakta hai, ya yeh bhi allowed nahi hai? waisay shaid aap bhool gaey, neiki ki talkeen, aur burai se roknay ka tu hamara farz hai, kia harama mazhab yahi nahi?

kash_beauty said:

ZEESHANAHMED said:

hmmm.. limit ka nahi pata aap ko? mazak ki bhi limit hoti hai. khair mujhay samajh aa gae ke mazak hi tha chahay jaisa bhi tha, but i hope aap care karain gi ainda. naraz mat hoon please.

kis baat per limit cross hui or aisa kia mazak tha jis k liye hamay care karni paray gi.???

lagta hai aap ko aisay samajh nahi aeygi, batana hi parayga. tu dear aik muslim ko yeh zeb nahi deta kay wo is tarah khulay aam kisi say "valentinity" ka izhaar karay, aur specialy jab wo ho bhi non muslim. aee samajh ya nahi??

kash_beauty said:

ZEESHANAHMED said:

aisa kar kay time waste hoga aap ka? tu kia iss "mazak masti" main time waste nahi hota? what a reasoning! time guzarnay or fun ka hamesha tareeka bhi hota hai. am I wrong??

hum likhnay ki baat kar rahay hein...
postin ki..k yahan masti ki hai likh kar...

practically nahin kaha hai

likh denay main aur kehnay main koi farq nahi hai kyun maksad aik hai donoon ka, aur hath say aur moon say aksar wohi bahi ata hai jo dil main hota hai.

kash_beauty said:

kaun si limit cross hui hai?? explain plzz!

hmmm.. limit ka nahi pata aap ko? mazak ki bhi limit hoti hai. khair mujhay samajh aa gae ke mazak hi tha chahay jaisa bhi tha, but i hope aap care karain gi ainda. naraz mat hoon please.

kash_beauty said:

loagon ko SRK pasand hota hai...
hamay rampal pasand hai tou iss mein kia kharabi hai

waisay hum itnay bhi pagal nahin hein.. time kahan hai k rampal k pechay soch soch kar demagh kharab karein

mazak masti...sab chalta hai..

asal mein aisa kar k time waste karna hai kia hum nay

aisa kar kay time waste hoga aap ka? tu kia iss "mazak masti" main time waste nahi hota? what a reasoning! time guzarnay or fun ka hamesha tareeka bhi hota hai. am I wrong??

kash_beauty said:

track hamari postings ka

iss mein aisi kaun si baat hai...???
kisi ko dhondnay wali..woh tou masti thi ..jis ka baad khud he jawab day dia tha k fazool time nahin hai

"track" aap kaisay keh sakti hain? main tu jabubaba ko explore kar raha tha, valentine topic dekha tu socha dekhoon kia likha hai because i dont believe int it. aur mera tu khyal hai aap ka matlab yeh tha kay "dont have time to look for someone else", may be i am wrong. laikin aisa mazak bhi acha nahi i think limits main rehna chahiye.

kash_beauty said:

hmmmmmmmm
khubsurti tou dekhnay wali ki aankh mein hoti hai

hum nay tou aisay he..beauty word use kia hai

kashmiri word k saath beauty acha lagta hai

jahan tak khoobsurat honay ki baat hai tou...shakal ka kia hai abb hai kal nahin
likin ALLAH ka shukar hai,...os nay bohat soun say acha banaya hai...aankhein kaam karti hein..kaan kaam kartay hein...or baki sab bhi set he hai

kuch loagon k pass yeh bhi nahin hota jo hamay nawaza gaya hai KHUDA ki zaat nay!

exactly khoobsoorty dekhnay walay ki ankh main hoti hai, laikin soorat ki, serat ki nahi, laikin main jo poochna chah raha tha wo aap samjhi hi naheen. main ne jo poocha tha is ke peechay aap ka yeh message (in another topic, Valentine) tha,

kash_beauty said:

mine is ARJUN RAMPAL

bt i guess he wud b buzi wid his wife

now tht u mention it... i gotta go look 4 some1


naa... dnt hve time

ab samjheen??

hmmm... theek zaroor moka doonga.
acha yeh batain if you are beautiful tu kia yeh beauty soorrat ki hai ya seerat ki?

JANUBABY said:

welcome

Thanks baby, what is your name, would you please tell me?

kash_beauty said:

WSalam
hope u hve fun here!!!

enjoy postin!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks kash, but yeh kash kis cheez ki abbreviation hai?

kArObi_sA said:

ZEESHANAHMED said:

kash_beauty said:

kArObi_sA said:

Main to Bohat Hi Nice Hoon Naa

itna jhoottttttttt

tobaaa tobaaaaaaaaa

welcome karnay kay style say hi maloom ho raha hai. "

Kia Maaloom ho raha Hai??

Jia Jee ham Jhoot tell Nai Kartay
Ham Woh hain jo Woh Khud B Nai

Yaaaaaaaaaaa Tobaa Is good For Health Naa

i mean welcome karnay kay style se hi maloom ho raha hai kay how nice you are .

And thank you all for welcoming

kash_beauty said:

kArObi_sA said:

Main to Bohat Hi Nice Hoon Naa

itna jhoottttttttt

tobaaa tobaaaaaaaaa

welcome karnay kay style say hi maloom ho raha hai. "

Jee bikul ab samajh main aa gya, what a nice way to welcome

Oh, I see, tu Kiran khud apnay aap ko welcome kar rahi theen , nice.

So welcome from me too, Kiran, though I am also a new comer.

Acha kArObi_sA, yeh "commonchooo" kia hota hai? yeh bhi kuch samajh nahi aya mujhay. Aap dua karain tu khush kyun nahi rahoonga.

SALL said:

haahahhaaa....
im sure jo nahi bhi peete honge uhon ne bhi start kar di hogi ab to
look at em

SALL, I was not expecting this from you!

Assalam o Alaikum,

Will anyone tell me who are where is that "Kiran Khan", jis ko welcome kia ja raha hai? mujhay tu yahaan "Kiran" ka koi message nazar nahi aya, yeh topic bhi welcome se shuru hua hai. kisi nay apnay aap ko itroduce tu nahi karwaya.

Assalam o Alaikum,

In do not think there is a direct relation (similarity) between "khudi" and "arrogance". If we take the meanings of "khudi" as "self esteem" then self esteem itself is a good thing sinnce you may well know the people who sell their self esteem (like beggers, flatterers etc), what kind of people they are. Khudi can be translated as “selfhood”, whick is closer to “takabbur”. But Iqbal’s philosophy of “khudi” was quite different. As used by Iqbal what comes closest to “khudi” is “Assertive will-power imbued with Moral Values”. This is apparent from these lines:

Khudi ko kar baland itna, ke har taqdeer sey pehley
Khuda bandey ko khud poocchey, bata, 'Teri raza kya hai?'

(Endow your will with such power, that at every turn of fate it so be
That God Himself asks of His slave, 'what is it that pleases you?')

I forgot a “Hadees” that could explain this concept of “khudi” very well. In fact, this could also be taken as, “Insaan jab apnay aap ko Allah ka Ahkaam kay mutabiq dhal leta hai, Allah ki raza say razi ho jata hai, tu asal main usay wahi mila jo us nay chaha kyun uski khahishaat Allah ki marzi kay tabae theen” And I should quote, Allah sent many orders (the rules of Islam) on the desires of His Prophet His Prophet’s friends (“Sahaba”). Hum sab jantay hain kay Muslim women kay liye “Hijab” ka hukam Hazrat Umer ki khahish par aya tha. Yeh unki “Khudi” hi thi ( aur aaj kal most women ki “khudi” ki yeh halat hai kay unhain “Hijab” se sharam aati hai).

And as far as “arrogance” is concerned, it is making undue claims of and taking pride in rank, dignity, estimation, knowledge, or power. It is condemned, not because they do not have power or knowledge (they may have it), because pride is for Allah only, Allah has blessed them with these qualities, He may bless anyone, if we have some good qualities blessed by Allah then it was never our right, it is Allah’s favor on us.

Is topic par ziada maloom nahi mujhay, may be I am wrong.

Allah Hafiz.

Assalam o Alaikum,

Aap itna long answer dya, laikin buhat acha hai. shaid kuch batain main sahi tarah samjha nahi saka, itni abilities hain bhi nahi mujh main, bas thora sa kuch kehna chahoonga.

Jahaan tak half truth ki baat hai tu it is a fact, buhat say log yahi kartay hain aaj kal, kyunkay desires jo beech main aa jati hain. Laikin ISLAM net u half truth nahi bataya na, is main ISLAM ka kia kasoor? Aur agar aisa lagay kay kuch wrong hai kisi baat main pehlay khud kisi trusted source say dekh lena chahiye koi bhi comment dene say pehlay. I think no need to explain any more, you know it very well.

Iman humain ghol kar pila dya jata hai bachpan say hi, that is the point, I agree. Yahi waja hai muslim ka bacha muslim ban jata hai aur non muslim ka non muslim. Laikin Allah nay akal di hai, aur sahi rasta dikhanay kay liye Rasool bjejey, right? tu in donoon ko use kar kay durust rasta dhonda ja sakta hai ya nahi? Aik supreme power ka na hona tu zehan bhi tasleem nahi karta aur yaheen say IMAN shuru hota hai, if I am wrong correct me. Usi supreme power ki sahi pehchan karwanay kay lye prophets aey thay. Again insaan kay pass itni samajh hoti hai isay kabool karay. Insaan ki nature sachai aur neki par hai burai par nahi. Aap zaroor sochain, samjhain, apnay creator kay baray main, ambia kay baray main, mazahib kay baray main, aap ko hi nahi sabhi ko aazadi hai, but eventually will find kay Allah do exists, Islam hi us ka mazhab hai jo tamam ambia le kar aey, aur humaray rasool Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) hi Allah kay aakhri nabi hain. Yahaan IMAN complete hota hai jab aap nay Allah, uski qualities, aur Rasool ko maan lya. ISLAM is kay baad shuru hota hai aur jo hai “farmanbardari”, “obeying” aur wo bhi koi choon charaan kiye baghair. Obviously kisi choon charan ki gunjaish rehti bhi nahi, because aap pehlay hi, yeh nizam e hayyat banay walay par IMAN la chukay hain. In a single line “IMAN lanay ka decion aap ka, aur rules (ISLAM) us kay jis par aap IMAN lain”.

ADHA SACH jhoot se zyada khatarnak hota hai, bilkul sahi hai, laikin pehlay keh chukka hoon kay kasoor adha sach bolnay waloon ka hai.

In Islam where there s a question there s always a satisfying answer, bilkul sahi hai, poori baat parhain aur samjhnay ki koshish bhi karain tu answer bhi mil jaeyga, aur I think aap ko mil bhi gya hoga. Confusion tu HALF truth ki waja say hi hui thin na?

Questions se to wohi darte hein na jinn k paas answers nahi hote, yeh bhi bilkul sahi hai, main bhi aap ki har baat ka jawab nahi de sakta, buhat say topics par aap ka knowledge mujh say ziada hoga. Laikin baat sochnay ki yeh hai kay aisay question paida kyun hotay hain. Isi liye kay pehlay tu yeh ka humara knowledge bhi aur understanding power donoon limted hain aur hum nay ISLAM ko sahi tarah study bhi nahi kya, apnay baray main bhi mera yahi khyal hai. Otherwise first tu Quran main, second Ahadees main, phir Sahaba Karam ki zindagi main, Ulema (not talkingabout today’s Ulemas) ki books main, kaheen na kaheen anwer zaroor mil jaeyga.

“but im sorry yeh ehkaam humein jinn hathon se guzar k aur jiss tareeke se milte hein sometimes i really have doubts”, jahaan tak Quran ki baat hai aap tu kia agar poori dunya ikathi mil kar yeh prove karna chahain kay Quran main koi change hui ha tu wo hargiz nahi kar sakain ge (most non muslims have tried to do that, but failed), aur janti bhi hain yeh ehkaam tu clearly Quran main mentioned hain, Quran kay taffuz ki responsibility Allah ne li hai, aur agar Quran kay baray main aap ka khyal aisa nahi hai tu aap yeh comment is topic par paste nahi kar akti hain. Jahaan tak Ahadees ki baat hai, tu ahadees ki bhi aisi book hai jin par shak ki koi gunjaish nahi hai. Haan, is kay bawajood bhi kuch differences zaroor hain logoon main, and definitely you have to take care in these case. Laikin is topic ki had tak tu aisa nahi hai na??

“i must say lemme look around me (coz i know more ppl who married non muslims woman)   none of them respected these conditions” , tu dear is main ISLAM ya mera kia kasoor hai jo aisa kar raha hai, wohi uska zimmadar hai, jawab bhi ussi ko he dena hai. Aur na hi un kay aisa karnay kuch ghalat kaam jaiz ho jaeyga.

“hmmmm,, once again… me apne mazhab ko sacha sabit karna chahti hu par pb yeh hai k aisa karne se mere hum-mazhab log jhoote ho ja’ain ge” jhootay hotay tu zaroor hoon humara mazhab tu sacha sabit hota hai, you should not care about that, neither I care.

Aurat prophet kyun nahi hui, jo answer aap ne dya kisi had tak theek hai, laikin aap ke answer say mere poochnay ka maksad poora ho gya, kyun aap tasleem karti hain kay aurat ko Allah na kamzoor banaya hai she cant withstand such situations, in the same how can you expect kay koi mumlim women kisi non muslim kay sath (specially non muslim socities main) reh kar usay ya apnay bachoon ko muslim bana sakay? Situation is infact the same.

“areyyy yar,,, jo case me ne aap se share kiya hai,,, i stopped there coz uss k baad mujhe nahi pata wot happend to that guy”, tu koi baat nahi main neb hi tu just suppose karnay kay baad kaha tha. Aur shaid aap ne sahi tarah parha nahi kay yeh bhi likha tha kay agar koi non muslim man muslim ho jaey tu ISLAM ko aur at least mujhay koi aitaraz nahi kay wo kisi muslim woman say shadi karay. Just uska true muslim hona zaroori hai, yaad aaa gya na? aur yeh mujhay bhi maloom hai aaj kal mumlims kay kaam aisay nahi jinhain dekh koi muslim ho jaey. Jo log muslim ho rahay hai wo ISLAM ki sachai ko jan kar hi ho rahay hain.

Aur yeh jo aap nay divorce par itna lamba lecture dia hai is say aap kia sabit karna chahti hain? Main nay kab kaha muslims buhat achay hain main nay sirf ISLAM ko defend kia hai. Divorce lena aurat ka haq hai, agar nahi dia ja raha tu main nay usay sahi kab kaha hai?

Aur “LEADERS” wali baat par bhi itna lamba “ufffff” aur phir lecture, halankay main nay apni baat main point out kia tha kon leaders hain, Quran, Nabi, unkay Sahaba aur Khulafa waghaira kia unhoon nay kaheen “FULL STOP” lagaya hai? Aur sath yeh bhi likha tha kay “Haan yeh sahi hai kay wrong persons ki lead nahi honi chahiye”. Yani jo full stop lagatay hain. To phir itni narazgi kyun??

“hmmmm..
i tried to b quite clear,,, par meri pb yeh hai k since something is clear in my mind it s obvious for me k agle bande ko bhi yeh baat samajh aa jae… i know it s silly par basss aisa hi hai” – yeh problem tu meri bhi hai jabhi tu itna kuch likha hai 2 dinoon main hi, but I don’t think its silly, its natural. Let’s see an example, aik Sahabi thay naam yaad nahi, Islam kay early days main hi wo muslim huay thay, aur jaisay hi unhoon nay Kalma parha tu foran uth kharay huay aur Kaaba main ja kar logoon ko bhi is sachai ki taraf bulanay lagay jis say Allah nay unhain nawaza tha, halakay humaray Nabi nay unhain nahi tha kay doosroon ko bhi Islam ki taraf bulao. He was severely beaten for that by the Kufars of Mekka, laikin wo us wakt tak khamosh nahi huay jab behosh nahi ho gaey.

-- “hmmm, par aik masla hai
few ppl wont like me telling them these restrictions,, hahahahahhahahaaa… hehehehehee,,,
Obviously some guyz” –

Is ka is kay ilawa aur kia kya ja sakta hay aap apna kaam karti rahain, I mean keep on telling them, aur baki Allah par chor dain. Waisay hehehe kar kay kisi ko batain gi tu phir tu koi bhi nahi sunay ga, manna tu door ki baat hai.

Aur shukrya to infact mujhay aap ka ada karna chahiye kay aap koi objection nahi ab, kyun kay kal mera sessional viva hai DSP ka .

ok thori si dua kar dijiayga mere liye.
Allah Hafiz.

Assalam o Alaikum,
Very nice Dua , it is much pleasing (and suprising too, may i say, because most people even do not take interest in these things). Also, it is quite informative. May Allah multiply your your interest in Islam.
Allah Hafiz.

Assalam o Alaikum

Assalam o Alaikum

(No duplicate "Salam" by mistake, the first one to you all from me, second one is the "Islamic Term" continuing "A")

This is an expression Muslims say whenever they meet one another. It is a statement of greeting with peace. The meaning of it is: "Peace be upon you."

Muslims try to establish peace on earth even through the friendly relation of greeting and meeting one another.

The other forms are: "Assalam o Alalikum Wa Rahmatullah," which means: "May the peace and the Mercy of Allah be upon you," and "Assalam o Alalikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh," which means: "May the peace, the mercy, and the blessings of Allah be upon you".

It is also a reminder for all the users (specially who post in a topic) that their conversation should start with the statement of greeting with peace.

Yahaan post karnay ka maksad sirf apna knowledge nahi barhana bulkay doosron ko bhi knowledge dena hai, is liye, as RIZ did, har term ko kuch na kuch explain bhi kar dena chahiye. Topic main "Hamza" ka zikar aya, laikin explanation sirf itni kay "uncle of our Holy Prophet". Yeh baat tu aap jantay hoon gay Islam main rishtay ki us wakt tak koi importance nahi jab tak ISLAM nahi, tu Hazrat Hamza ki asal manzilat un strong IMAN pehlay aur Nabi say relation baad main hai. He was considered a brave, robust personality of Makkah. Unki shahadat par Holy Prophet nay unhain "Syed ul Shuhada" kaha tha, aur yeh laqab speially unhi ke liye hai, magar aajkal Hazrat Hussain kay liye use hota hai, jo kay nahi hona chahiye.

Assalam o Alaikum,

SALL said:

misleading
i only want ppl to ask few questions to themselves
and stop being LEADED by few ppl instead of Quran

waise bhi i ve HEARD muslim ka imaan bohot mazboot hota hai,, how can they b misssssleaaded

SALL, I am sorry, you are again wrong here. Questions ki hud tak tu theek hai, zaroor karain. Allah nay kuch logoon ko humara leader banaya hai, aur humain unki lead main hi jana chahiye. Arey humaray Rasool kon thay, kia wo humaray leader nahi thay? Kia unhoon nay apnay “Khulafa” nahi banay, kia wo humaray leader nahi thay, aur kia har koi khud soch kar even Quran main guidance le sakta hai? Absolutely not, because Rasool isi liye hi tu thay kay humain guide and lead karain. Yeh baat main pehlay bhi keh chukka hoon agar aisa hota tu Allah ko itnay Ambia bhejnay ki zaroorat nahi thi, just aik “Book” hi kafi thi. Kia humaray nabi ne nahi kaha tha kay agar koi “Hubshi Ghulam” bhi tumhara “Imaam” bana dia jaey tu uski bhi “ITAAT” karna? Aap tu Quran main say yeh nahi dhoond sakti hain kay namaz ka tareeka kia hai. Haan yeh sahi hai kay wrong persons ki lead nahi honi chahiye. Waisay ab tu khilafat ka system nahi raha.

Yeh bhi main nay likha tha kay IMAN and ISLAM are two separate things, shaid aap ne parha nahi. IMAN dil aur dimagh ki halat hai, jab kay ISLAM jisam ki. Quan main bhi aisay logoon ka zikar hai Muslim tu hain par Moumin nahi. Because wo Islam kay rules ko obey kartay hain chahay maksad job hi ho, un ka mamla Allah ka supurd hai. Isi tarah yeh bhi zaroori nahi har Muslim ka IMAN buhat mazboot ho, yeh aap achi tarah janti hain kay IMAN bhi har kisi ka aik jaisa nahi hota aur IMAN kay kae levels hain. So jis ka IMAN kamzoor hai wo mislead kyun nahi ho sakta? Specially new Muslims, un kay baray main aap kia kahain gi? Humaray Nabi apnay zamany main new Muslims ko special incentives dya kartay thay, you know that, waja sirf yahi thi kay unka IMAN aur mazboot ho jaey.

I hope aap ko samajh aa gae hogi, after all, you are not “so stupid”. Aur is kay baad agar aap thora muskura dain, ya beshak hans dain, mujhay koi aitaraz nahi hoga, infact khushi hogi.

Assalam o Alaikum,

SALL said:

hmmmmmmmmmm,,,
u r rite abt yahan couples aur families bohot jald toot jati hein,,, par this is not the case with everyone believe me,,
yahan bohot si ACHI fam abhi bhi hein exactly like in pak

ehemm,, jahan tak paki fam ki baat hai to,, u r rite
they prefer to kill (sometimes litteraly) than leave
khekehekheekhekeekee..
(oupss,, sorry that was a joke,,, ignore it)

I know this is not the case with everyone, aur khushi bhi hai kay wahaan aisi families bhi hain. But, sincerely, aisa joke acha nahi. Yahaan marnay ki zaroorat nahi parti, yahaan aurat separation (divorce, tallak) kay khof say mar sakti hai, as you know divorce un “jaiz” kamoon main say aik hai jo Allah ko intahai napassand hain, “khekehekheekhekeekee.. (oupss,, sorry that was a joke,,, ignore it)” afsoos tu mujhay ho raha aap ki is khekhe say. Mujhay shak honay laga hai aap par.

SALL said:

ya Khuda,,
aap koi univ prof ho kya,, who s correcting my examination paper ??

for ur kind information me ne parha hi hai,, sirf typing karne mei i didnt choose rite words
Allah ka shukar hai me ne Quran pak parha hua hai,, with translation,, and now im try to read and UNDERSTAND it tafseer too
but as i already said mujhe sab kuch hifz nahi hai,,, me silly thing

I just maloom hi nahi yaqeen hai aap nay zaroor parha hoga. Main nay purposely likha tha kay par lain, matlab yeh tha is baat ko is tarah “laughings” main na ura dain.

SALL said:

aap ko Masha Allah bohot zyada knowledge hai,, can u plz tell me Ehl e Kitaab kaun log hein ??
aur Allah ki kitabein kitni hein aur yeh bhi k unn mei se kitni ka zikr Quran pak mei aaya hai ????
(waiting for ur answer)

dil pe kiss k mohr hai yeh to koi nahi janta
han dil pe mohr kyun aur kab lagti hai yeh baat samajhne ki hai,, but im sure u know better than me

hmmm,, at the end,, thnx again for ur posts
may i ask u one question,, just one plz
aap ki arrogance ka reason aap ki knowledge hai ya phir it s ur nature ??

Main ne nahi kaha kay mujhay buhat knowledge hai, aur na mera koi aisa khyal khyal hai. Na hi main kabhi relegious studies ka student raha hoon, I am just an electrical engineering student. So I am not going to answer your questions to prove that I have much knowledge.

Dil par kin kay mohr lagi hai exactly tu koi nahi janta, par yeh tu aap janti hoon gi aisay logoon kay “Ausaaf” tu Allah nay khud Quran main bayan kar diye hain, isn’t it?

Now see mere knowledge ka yeh haal hai kay “arrogance” ka matlab mujhay dictionary se dekhna para hai. But I am not arrogant, main tu Allah ka aik humble sa banda hoon.

God bless you.
Allah Hafiz.

SALL said:

hmmmm..
aap ne meri harrr baat ko galt samajhne ki kasam khai hai kya,,, ya phir i look horrible while laffing


EXPLANATION of my rediculous answer :
mujhe stariz ki baat ka matlab yeh samajh aaya k
muslim ka imaan bohot mazboot hona chaiye,, Khuda aur Rasool before parents, wife, children and family
means,,, agar muslim mard ki wife non muslim hai to usse apne imaan ko sab se zyada importance dete hue apne bachon ko muslim banana chaiye
RITE ??? (stop me stariz if im wrong)

and my rediculous answer was
kya itnaa hi mazboot imaan kissi aurat ka nahi ho sakta kya ??
k woh apne husband se zyada importance iss baat ko de k uss k bache muslim banein

aaya samajh

main ne aap ki kisi baat ko ghalat samajhnay ki kassam nahi khae, laikin main aap ki kisi ghalat baat ko sahi tasleem nahi kar sakta. Aur may be aap hansti hui buhat cute lagti hoon but I wish aap ki yeh muskurahat apnay mazhab ko sacha mazhab prove karnay par ho na kay us par tankeed karnay aur mazak uranay par. See your comments “coz it s a serious discussion aur meri hansi nikal jae gi”.
I am sorry main aap almost har baat ko ghalat keh deta hoon, and this time aap ne phir ghalat kaha. Main nay last message main likha tha IMAN kay baray main, I must say agar jis aurat ka IMAN itna mazboot hoga tu wo tu waisay hi non muslim mard kay kareeb nahi jaeygi usay mana jo kar dya gya hai, aur phir bhi jaeygi tu uska IMAN raha kahaan aur IMAN hi nahi raha tu bachay muslim kia banaeygi.
Aik aur baat bataon shaid aap janti hoon, in all religions and strictly in our religion Islam, every child is ascribed to his father, not mother. Mother say wo bacha mansoob hota hai jo “Jaiz” nahi hota. It is a strict rule of Islam (and other religions too) you cant change it too. Aap nay apnay Nabi ka itna lamba “Shajra e Nasab” parha hoga, wo fathers kis list hi hai na, mothers ki tu nahi? It is one of the reasons why men are allowed and women are not. Muslim man kisi non muslim woman say shad karta hai tu us kay bachay usi say mansoob ho kar Muslim kehlain ge, aur Islam aur khud evey woman yeh bardash nahi kar saktay kay unki aulad aik non muslim say mansoob ho kar non muslim kehlain. Allah ne mard ko aurat par foqiat our power (of course, within limits) di hai it is His decision, aur wo apni aulad ko apnay hi religion par chalaey ga whether he is muslim or non muslim. Can you tell me, Allah ne kisi aurat ko kabhi Prophet kyun nahi banaya?? (I am waiting).

SALL said:

hmmm,,
sorrryy,, i dont give u any rite to correct my voc
i always type in abbrev coz dont want to waste my time
if u want me to type PAKISTAN and not PAKI
then u better check alll my posts,, and correct all the words with wring orthograph and then comes ponctuation and the rst....... im sure u dont wanan do this
i always use ENG for ENGLISH,, no one ever corrected me

Sorry, you took it offensive to you, mera yeh matlab nahi tha. Main ne complete Pakistani kehnay ki waja nahi likhi thi is liye aap ko aisa laga, wo main bata deta hoon. Most non muslims (specially European) Pakistan say nafrat kay izhaar kay liye isay “Paki” kehtay hain, jo kisi bhi tarah theek nahi hai, you can deny this, but Pakistani Government nay bhi yeh lafz “Paki” ban kia hua hay(at least in Pakistan) kyunkay yeh unkay knowledge main bhi hai. I, myself, has a very bitter experience of that, isi liye mujh yeh acha nahi lagta. Aap meri baat ko request bhi samajh sakti theen, kyunkay main sirf PAKI correct karnay kaha tha, whole vocabulary nahi.

SALL said:

i dont think if the reson i gave was wrong
it s abs rite,, coz im living in a western country and i know quite a lot pakis and non muslims
so,,,, i think im RITE

yep,, most of muslim women r aware of their limits but it seems men r not
coz abhi aap ne kaha k perm sirf muslim society mei hai,,
aur yahannn,,,,,,,, hmmm
khair u ll say again OUT OF TOPIC

btw,, i personnaly know a gal whose non muslim collegue proposed her and he was ready to b converted (not for her only,, he had studies abt islma) but gals fam didnt allow her
now u ll say,,,, ONE CASE,, only ONE CASE
oh well,, case sirf hai hai par soch majority ki yehi hai
hmmmm,, out of topic again
hehehehhehee....

Let’s suppose the reason you gave was right. If you say you know better about the people in western countries because you live there, I (not you) have right to say that I know better about the peoples in Pakistan because I live there. So if in your country (not mine, I have right to say) the women are thinking so, tu phir “mahool ka asar” (your own quote) hi hai, jahaan fitnay ziada hoon gay waheen log aisa sochtay hain. And that is not a justification that a false thing should be correct.
Jahaan tak limits ki baat hai tu jitni limits aurat kay liye hain unti mard kay liye bhi hain both should be aware of that, if they are not, obviously they have to answer it one day. And you have no right to criticize a single sex (“it seems men are not”), try to keep the discussion a general one.
You saying “he was ready to b converted” points to the fact that he was only ready to do that he did not get converted. Sirf is liye kay wo us muslim woman say shadi nahi kar saka. Isi say hi pata chalta hai kay he was not sincere. Agar us nay islam ko study kia tha tu Muslim hua kyun nahi, wo tu ready tha na? aur ONE CASE say bhi tu pata chalta this thing is rare, not a major one. Its ridiculous to say jo kaam hua aik baar ( or lets say a few times) wo majority ki soch hai, pata nahi aap ko kia hogya hai.
And again note one thing, agar wo non muslim Muslim ho jata tu definitely wo muslim woman us say shadi kar sakti thi, is say inkaar kisi nay nahi kia, us kay parents nay ijazat nahi di yeh aur baat, aisa precaution kay tor par bhi kia ja sakta hai, ur jab us muslim woman nay apnay parents ki baat naami hai tu aap ko kia aitaraz hai? Laikin agar koi non muslim ISLAM kabool karta hai (and want to marry a muslim) tu ISLAM ne sirf itni shart rakhi hai kay yeh achi tarah confirm kia jaey kay wo wakae shok say muslim hua hai aur Islamic rules ko obey karta hai like prayers, fast etc. It requires some time, waisay koi harj bhi nahi agar shadi kuch late bhi ho jaey, kia khyal hai? Am I wrong?

Ok, for now Allah Hafiz.

SALL said:

VV CLEAR.... no question

but u may try to come out of THEORY
face the real life,,,,,,

meri baatein aap ko BURI or ajeeb shayad iss liye lag rahi hein coz im talking abt ppl i meet every day,,
the way they modified islam laws for their own comfort

aur aap ko shayad yeh lag raha hai k im criticizing ISLAM
im only criticizing MUSLIMS here
and if sometimes i say IM UNABLE TO GET THIS
it means k jo ho raha hai woh meri samajh se bahir hai coz karne waale khud ko islamic laws k mutabik sahi kehte hein

Tu janab, main nay reality ko accept karnay say kab inkaar kia hai? Aur na hi har Muslim truly Islam ko obey karta hai. Aap shaid bhool gaeen aap nay Islam ko criticize kia Muslims ko nahi, should I quute you again

SALL said:

hmmmm...

im sorry but beshak Islam sirf mard ko non muslim se shadi ki permission deta hai aur aurat ko nahi
im unable to understand it

aik taraf it s said "marry a religious and pious woman coz ussi ne tumhare bachon (and next generation) ki parwarish karni hai
aur doosri taraf "a man is responsible how to lead his family"

it sounds sooooooo *****************
confusing

Yaad aya kuch? Yahaan aap nay yahi kaha hai na kay “islam mard ko ijazat deta hai” which you were unable to understand, not the way Muslims, today, are using this permission. Aap apna likha tu nahi badal sakti hain. Aur discussion ka topic bhi obviously aik Islamic Rule aur us ka tareeka hi tha, not Muslims main kia ho raha hai.
Aur jahaan tak is baat ka talluk hai kay Muslims sahi tarah Islam ko obey nahi rahay tu, tu is ka yeh matlab nahi kay koi bura kaam mamool ba jaey tu isay “Jaiz” bana dya jaiey, you can understand it very well. Everyone is responsible for his deeds and he will be asked about that all, the maximum we can do is to show them the right way as all Prophets did.

SALL said:

aur waise bhi,,, if i dont understand something in my religion,, am i not allowed to ask and understand Y ??
or ud prefer me to live like millions of ppl who call theirselves "muslims" but r following "religion of their fathers"
i hope u get wot i want to say

yeh understand karnay wali baat ka tu main pehlay bhi jawab de chuka hoon, aur kahoon ga agar hum sab log apna IMAN durust kar lain tu aksar batain humain samajhnay ki zaroorat hi mehssos nahi hogi. It is not disallowed to ask or to understand, but if something gets confusing then it is always better to avoid it, takay humara IMAN weak na ho. We cannot understand Allah, not the Devil, but cannot say they don’t exist, we can see their signs to make us believe. Aur jab hum Allah par IMAN le hi aey hain tu yeh tasleem karnay say kia cheez rokti hai kay jo Allah kehta hai theek kehta hai, aur wohi humaray liye behtar hai.

Aur yeh jo baat aap ne ki hai kay “muslims” who are following “religion of their fathers”, tu yeh incomplete si baat ki hai aap nay. If I am not wrong (if so, correct me) you mean the Muslims following the religions blindly on which they found their fathers and simply do not want to think over it. If you are talking about just Muslims then “religion of their father” would mean “religious sects which are present in Muslim society and adopted by their parents”. It is absolutely correct, most of us are doing what you said. The reason behind it “different schools of thought” or “different opinions”, caused by certain Ahaadees picked up by one sect and some by other. One thing to remember they differ in “Aamaal” not “Aitakadat”. All of them has the same “beliefs”. And again you got an irrelevant point here, because there is no conflict or even a second opinion about “Inter-faith Marriages in Islam”. So what are you talking about? Surely, as far as strictly following father’s religion is concerned, you are right that is should not be the case.

Assalam o Alaikum,

SALL said:

thnx a lot zeeshan :)
hmmm lemme say one thing first,,, for me if an idiot person doestn understand something and ask questions to understand them,, it may take a long time but at the end agar woh samajh jae to he wont b an idiot anymore
and ignorant,,, ahannn jo k kafi kuch janta hai aur jaan sakta hai but koi effort nahi karta,,, and stays ignorant till death,,
hmmm,, i dotn think if a muslim (or even a good human) has rite to stay ignorant all his life
now tell me who s better :)

Now you have explained what you meant to be an idiot and an ignorant, and I agree as far as the wording of your explanation is concerned. But you should note here in the context of this discussion that anyone who know that a muslim man can marry non muslim woman but a muslim woman can not, he is not ignorant in this respect whether he know “why it is so” or not. This knowledge only is sufficient to abstain himself to go against his religion if he is a true muslim. He knows very well it is Allah’s order, he is quite contented with it and don’t need to explore it. So you cant say it ignorance.

SALL said:

Permission under conditions
- only in islamic society
etc

now here s something which sound vvvvvvvvv vv clear
u dotn even need to explain me reasons for that coz i got it
(see im not that STUPID )

but y did u say
""u dont need to understand it""
i think paighambar bheje gae k woh samjha sakein, same with Quran pak,
and im sorry but mujhe poora Quran paak with translation and tafseer + all hadees and paighambar's life hifz nahi hai
hmmmmm i mite me the only duffer in this condition,, that s i keep loonking despretaly and asking those who know better than me

Shukar hai kuch tu clear hoa, I think I should pray at least 2 nafals for this, and I will, InshaAllah. And why I said you don’t need to understand it, there is not a single but two obvious reasons behind it. I thought you could “understand” it. But before that please not I was pointing to “it”, the discussion which was going, not all matters. After all, you need to understand how to say your prayers, keep fast etc. The first and the obvious reason is that everyone cant simply understand every problem. Kia aap mujhay bata sakti hain Allah akhir hai kia? kis cheez say bana hai? Khata kyun nahi? Sota kyun nahi? Itni bara system kaisay chala raha hai? No one can answer nor comprehend it, we are just told to believe it and we believe it. No one can understand Allah though one can feel and see the signs of His existence to make himself believe. Similar is the case with several aspect of a human being’s life, where he needs guidance. Agar insaan sab kuch samajh sakta tu dunya main Ambia aur Paghamber bhejney ki zaroorat hi kia thi? Aur kia yeh Allah kay liye asaan nahi tha kay insaan ko us kay haal par chor deta aur jo usay samajh aey wo karay jo na aey na karay, and on doomsday us say hisaab le ke jo ghalat kia ya sahi kia. Allah apnay bandoon say buhat pyaar karta hai isi us ki guidance ka intizaam kia Allah nay. Aur jab koi guide karta hai tu yeh poocha jata kay yeh jo kaam karnay ko kaha gya hai usay kyun karoon, koi waja batao, ya jis say mana kia wo kyun na karoon. I think it is is not so difficult to “understand it”.

The second reason now. Perhaps you know, if not then you should, that there are two thing ISLAM and IMAN. These are two separate concepts (I am not saying that, it is the saying of Allah, I may be able to give you reference from Quranic Verses) IMAN is meant to believe in Allah, His qualities, His prophets, Angels, you know it very well, and ISLAM is to accept and obey certain rules of Islam that guide a muslim through all aspects of his life. Literally ISLAM also means “to obey”, and obeying does not require to understand “why” we are required to obey such things or rules. Allah par IMAN lanay kay baad kisi (at least true) MOUMIN ko ISLAM kay rules obey karnay kay liye kisi reasoning ki zaroorat nahi rehti. Shaid aap ko yaad ho hamaray Rasool nay 13 saal Madena main logoon ko IMAN ki taleem di thi, unkay diloon par mehnat kit hi takay un logoon ko Allah kay ehkamaat mannay main koi taraddud na rahay, aur result bhi aap nay daikha, unhain jo karnay ko kaha jata tha baghair koi reason mangay kia. Un ki farmaanbardari ka tu yeh haal tha, I will quote, aik hamaray nabi mosque main Khutba de rahay thay aur kuch masjid kay sehan kharay tu hamaray nabi nay unhain kaha kay “beth jao”. Aik sahaabi jo masjid main dakhil ho rahay, he was in such a position kay unka aik paoon door say baji aur andar tha, but jab unhain yeh awaz sunai di kay bath jaoo to wo waheen usi halat main beth gae, farmaanbardari hi itni bari misaal kahaan milay gi kay jo hukam unkay tha bhi nahi phir bhi nabi ka kaha poora karnay kay liye foran beth gae, aur jab tak humaray Nabi ne unhain kaha nahi wo uthay nahi. Aap ka khyal hai kay wo buhat bewakoof thay? Infact wo hum jaisay nahi thay jo sochtay kay kay kyun beth jaoan, ya yeh kay main tu abhi andar aya bhi nahi aur yeh hukam mere liye nahi. They were true MOUMIN and true MUSLIMS. Aur hum unko follow karnay ki bajaey reasons dhoontay hain kay why it is so and why not, just IMAN ki kamzoori hai.

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SALL said:

u didnt get me
kehne ka matlab yeh tha k agar parwarish aurat ne karni hai to how can u expect from a non muslim woman k woh aap k bachon ko acha muslim banne ki tarbiyat de,, since woh khud muslim nahi hai (and imagine she s not even interested in becoming a muslim)

i hope u got my question now

Certainly, I got your question now. But again the confusion has nothing to do here. Its is extremely simple if correct your words “muslim banne ki”. It should be “acha insaan bnne ki”, because required yeh hai kay woman “pious” ho aur wo is liye takay “wo bachoon ki sahi tarbiat kar sakay” not muslim bana sakay. Aap ko bhi maloom hai Ahl e Kitab ka mazhab bhi neiki ki hi taleem deta hai burai ki nahi. Aur maan ki responsibility bachoon kay akhlaq behtar banana hai, kia aap ka khyal hai kay sirf muslim hi sahi tarbiat ka saktay hain aur kia sirf Islam hi ache akhlaq ka dars deta hai? Thoug it will be an added advantage (and Ahsan) if the woman is muslim too. Yeh non muslim woman say marriage ki condition hai hai usay pious hona chahiye takay wo aolad ko bhi pious hi banay. Aur jahaan tak muslim bananay ka talluk hai tu Islam hi sahi taleem koi Mudarris (teacher) hi de sakta hai, don’t me say that non muslim countries main Madaris nahi hotay, yeh mard ki resposibilty hai wo is baat ko ensure karay kay us ki aulad ko Islam ki taleem mil sakay. I think yeh baat tu aap pehlay hi samajh chuki hai kay man is not unbounded.

Will continue, till now Allah Hafiz.

Assalam o Alaikum,

stariz said:

As'Salamu'Alaikum wr.wb.

aray aray Zeshan... mera bhaii
itna gusa nahi
oski samjh ma agaya ha

aur yaar SALL questions kar rahi ha iska ya matlab nahi ka woh nahi janti... woh bhe janti hai bas is liye bhe kar rahi ha ka agar ya na karti toa koi aur karta

aur koi aur karta toa pata nahi kitni deer ma karta

wasa SALL ko ma janta ho
woh aur baat hai ya mujhay nahi pechan pai

Was'Salam...

stariz yeh baat nahi hai, jo aap samajh rahay hain. infact mujhay maloom hai SALL yeh sab samajhti hain, par is tarah unkay in sawalaat say non muslims hi nahi muslims main bhi misconception create ho sakti hai jaisa kay main nay kae jaghoon par point out kia hai hai she is misleading the readerers of the forum, and that should not be allowed. ok.

Allah Hafiz.

Assalam o Alaikum,
thank you stariz. aik baat ka jawab dena to main bhool hi gya ...

SALL said:

btw,,, u r a guy, rite???
that s may b the reason it s easier for u to accept this
...
(if u had enuff just leme know, coz my questions never end )

what a cool reasoning ... it is easier for a guy to accept it because he is guy, in the same i can argue it is difficult for a gal to accept it because she is gal, and why not? yahaan tu aap ki religious acceptance aap ki desires kay gird ghoom rahi hai. Islam ka tu matlab hi farmanbardari aur tasleeem karna tha, aap nay tu is ka meaning hi badal dia.
aur jahaan tak aap kay "never ending" questions ka talluk hai tu jab "the devil" mojood hai sawalaat bhi uthtay rahain gay laikin jaab denay walay bhi miltay rahain gay.

SALL said:

areyyy dear,, wot are u talking abt,, uss ka ghar aur mera ghar
yeh pakistan nahi hai k MARD ka ghar ho,,,
yahan ghar COUPLE ka hota hai,,, and they proudly call it OUR HOME,,,
woh mere baap ka ghar aur yeh mere husband ka ghar,, to phir MERA GHAR kahan hai ??   how sillyyyyyy (khair this is a diff discussion)

Here again you are misleading all the readers, pehli baat tu yeh kay stariz nay kisi baat may “mard kay ghar” ya “baap kay ghar” ki baat nahi ki, unhoon nay sirf aik traditional say way main ghar say muraad “family” li hai and you know it very well and can be easily seen from his conversation. And secondly, can you please tell me what is the meaning of “HOME”? Home tu kehtay usay hain jahaan kuch relations hotay hain wife, husband, children, father, mother, sisters, brothers and it cant be confined to just a COUPLE, nor a building. Aurat aik ghar se doosray ghar main jati hai, aur usay wo apna ghar hi kehti aur samajhti hai, not his parents’ or husband’s home. And note it again aap baar baar Pakistan ka naam le kar isay badnaam karnay ki koshish kar rahi hain. Aur jin “COUPLES” aur “HOMES” ki aap baat kar rahi hain na tu yeh main, aap aur sabhi jantay hain kay un ki boundaries har teesray din toot kar kisi aur se ja milti hain. Jabkay Pakistan main most HOMES aik baar bantay hain, kabhi na tootnay kay liye, remember it. Sorry if I am going a little harsh, majboori hai.

SALL said:

aur phir yahan families or parents saath nahi rehte.. ab aik ghar jo do log mil k bana'ain ge to uss mei tareeka bhi DONO ka chale ga na
aur jahan tak family ki baat hai to zahir hai dono ka taluk dono families se aik jaisa hoga

wahaan families parents kay sath nahi rehti hain, its correct, but can you answer why? Parents kahaan jatay hain unkay? You and me very well know that wo unhain kahaan chor aatay hain. Or at least alag tu rakhtay hain. Kia wo unkay right unhain de rahay hain aur apni duties ada kar rahay hain? Jab parents old ho jatay hain tabhi tu unhain aulad ki zaroorat hoti hai, aur wo unsay door apnay “HOME” main magan hotay hain, aur jis ko aap so proudly describe kar rahi hai, its pity. Aur aisa nahi hota tu aap ka yeh argument tu completely fallacious hai.

SALL said:

hmmm... waise aik baat
imaan kitna mazboot hai yeh to fitne k saamne hi pata chalta hai na,,


areyyy yarr,,, muslims ko idiot hone ka haq nahi hai kyaaa
i d prefer to b called an idiot than an ignorant

btw,,, u r a guy, rite???
that s may b the reason it s easier for u to accept this

fitne k saamne hi pata chalta hai tu is main mard aur auat ki koi exception nahi hai, aur Islam humain fitnoon say bachnay ki taleem deta hai, yeh nahi kay fitne ko khud dawat do.
And for your kind information Islam main ignorants kay liye tu kuch maafi hai idiots kay liye nahi. You need to study some basic aspects of Islam.

SALL said:

a last thing jo abhi mere zehn mei i hai,,,,,,,,
i ve heard muslim mard "non muslims aurat" se nahi sirf ehl e kitab se shadi kar sakte hein
we all know that Bible, Evangile and (probably) Torah are modified by man
to kya aisi shadi inn conditions mei bhi jaiz hai ???
(if u had enuff just leme know, coz my questions never end )

mera khyal tha aap nay parha hoga likin aap nay tu sirf suna hai, yeh tu hamari Holy Book Al-Quran main likha hai, aur aap nay phir bhi suna hai, mera khyal hai ab aap ko parh bhi lena chahiye. Aur yeh kay muslim woman non muslim man say shadi nahi kar sakti yeh bhi Quran main hi hai.
Waisay yeh baat Allah ko bhi maloom hai kay yeh books change kar di gaeen hain, kyun kia aap ka khyal hai Allah ko nahi maloom hoga aur phir bhi Allah nay ijazat di hai. Islam humain yeh sikhata hai kay hum aisai batoon kay positive meanings lain na kay negative. Yahaan Ahl-e-Kitab is liye kaha gya takay isay mushrikeen aur mulhideen say alag kya jaey jo log Allah kay sath shreek thehratay hain ya Allah ko accept karnay ko hi tayyar nahi. Ahl e Kitab yani true christian and jews at least Allah ko mantay tu hain, Allah ki ibadat tu kartay hain.

Jo samajhna chahtay hain wo baghair kisi kay samjhaye bhi samajh saktay hain aur jin logoon kay diloon par Allah nay muhar laga di hai unko kon samjha sakta hai.

God bless you.
Allah Hafiz.