sun-shine
i did not just say its gov responsibility,main ne aur bhi kafi kuch kaha he.
as far as this hadees that u quoted is concerned,jab tak hum is ko islam ki baqi taleemat k context main nahin dekhain gay,yeh hamain confuse kerti rahe gi.
now suppose if i'm living in a non-islamic country to kya vahan bhi main burai ko dekh ker aise hi re-act karoon ga?ofcourse not,is ka matlab yeh k aik restriction to mojood he k aisa hum sirf aik islamic state main hi ker sakte hain.now,kya her musalmaan burai ko dekh ker haath se rokna shroo ker de to,can u imagine k phir kya ho ga?
koi kisi policeman ko rishwat lete dekhay ga to us ko rake ga.koi kisi ko music sunte dekhay ga to us ko roke ga.koi kisi ko be-perda bahir nikalte dekhay ga to us ko roke ga.koi kisi ko doodh main paani milata dekhay ga to us ko roke ga.koi kisi ko shave kerta dekhay ga to us ko roke ga.and roke ga bhi taaqat se,hath se.to phir us ka reaction,retaliation bhi ho ga.
ab kitne log hain jo yeh dawa ker sakain k vo 100% shariat per amal kerte hain,obviously very few,so practically a war will start where everyone will be enemy of everyone around.and the result will be anarchy.
kya islam anarchy chahta he?
aur yeh jo kaha jata he,k doosron ke aib ki perda poshi karo,us ko logon per zahir na kero,so that ALMIGHTY ap ke aiboun ki perda poshi kare,how would u interpret that?
kya ap janti hain k KHAWARIJ kon log thay aur kya demand kerte thay,un ka bhi yehi kehna tha k islam ki shariat mukamal ho chuki he ab yeh her individual ka kaam he k vo us ko apne aur doosron k ooper naafiz kare,if they were right then why did hazrat ali and ameer muavia both in their times fought against them?
IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE USE THE VERSES OF QURAN AND SAYINGS OF HOLY PROPHETp.b.u.h.TO PROMOTE OUR PERSONAL VIEWS AND AGENDAS.

sharmili said:

where are you getting your numbers from? Are you talking about police force in a particular area, or in general.

Personally, I think you are just making up the numbers. Yes, there is a problem, but to this extent, I am not buying that.

well,i think he is not talking in pure statistical terms,its just a(mis)conception,that ppl have about police.
last year 51 policemen in karachi alone were allegedly involved in street crimes.these were those who were caught red-handedly,there are many who are either directly involved in crimes or are protecting criminals one way or another.

heard about it but could not find it on local stores

sharmili said:

Hating politics will not get us anywhere.Although I understand why people do hate politics in Pakistan. Politics brings up concepts like corruption, dishonesty, bribery etc. It is very unfortunate that the politics in Pakistan has gone down that way.

If you want change, you gota bring change yourself. Violence is not going to get you anywhere. The only other option is poiltics

right u r

agreed with javad
and there is a punjabi poet who once said
police noon aakhaan rishwat khaur te faida ki
pichoun kerda phiraan takour te faida ki
kis kis ko samajh aai

dear sun-shine and afghan
fahashi k aday bund kerna koi ghalat kaam nahin ager state yeh kaam anjaam de.laal masjid and jamia hifsa were constructed on public property in the first place,kya kisi ki jaga occupy ker k us per mosque bana lena theek he.and secondly,the right to enact the sharia cannot be given to individuals,its state responsibility and if the state is not fulfilling its responsibility,we can protest,and try to change the system in a democratic way.every one has its own interpretation of islam and if we allow individuals to enforce islam on their own,the results would be devastating for the nation.
besides when all the ulmas and scholars of WIFAQ-UL-MADARIS are saying that its unlawful and unislamic,how can we trust these two crazy mullas?
finally if we look at the life of HOLY PROPHET p.b.u.h,he did not enact sharia in makka since he did not have the authority there,but when he migrated to madina and an islamic state was established there then the rule of ALMIGHTY was enforced,and by the way adultery
did not come to an end even in that golden period of islam but can u cite any one incident from that period when a prostitute was taken out of her house,was humiliated before public and was kidnapped and harrased by the HOLY PROPHET or his faithful companions?
badshah1
i also think there is some conspiracy behind this all,or else why a government that is so keen to kill its citizens when they raise their voices for their rights in balochistan and elsewhere,would not budge when these mad mullas are challenging the system in the very capital of the country.it looks like an attempt to divert ppl's attention from other major issues that are creating problems for the government

police main over-whelming majority aik number k ******** ki he.lekin mera yeh nbhi khayal he k they are escape-goats of our society.
jitna malba dalna he un per daal do.
baqi sab teachers,lawyers,beurocrats,army,politicions....yeh log to angels hain na

Ashii said:

wots wrong with ur thumbs ???????




.........magar

actually i have always thought that scepticism,suspicion and assumption are our great assets coz they help us in finding more...they make us look at the other side of the story also,and our civilisation would not have advanced so much had we not been suspicious and sceptic towards every thing including religion.
kya her WASWASA shetani hi hota he

if converting into other religion amounts to GHADDARI,then why do we accept traitors of other faiths.jo un se ghaddari ker sakta he vo hum se bhi ker sakta he.
kal hi geo per aik discussion chal rahi thi jis main yahi topic under debate tha.us main do scholars ka kehna yehi tha k islam main her kisi ko azadi he vo chahe to mazhab per qaim rahay,aur chahay to chor de,jaza aur saza ka haq sirf ALLAH ko hasil he.aik dr.farid jo MMA ka leader he sirf usi mko ikhtilaf tha.
asal main baat shaid yehi he k jo convert hone k baad islam-dushmani per utar aay,us ki saza mout he.

MONEY
knwledge ki importance apni jaga lekin money k bagher ye bhi nahin milti.

theek he yeh baat bhi mager

dear nice guy
if u read my post again,u will find that i did not blame musharaf,infact i held the so called democratically elected gov.responsible for the present scenario.ofcourse,musharaf is responsible in the first place for bringing these corrupt ppl into gov,he is responsible for not fulfilling his commitments that he made with the nation in his first speech after the supreme court verdict came in his favour.and he is responsible for the killing of so many innocent afghanis by the u.s.
shahrukh
i think hamara asal masla hi yehi he k when it comes to politics,we just shrug off,like u did.politics gundi cheez nahin....hamare politicians gundi cheez hain.
sun-shine
u r so right to say that jo bhi america ka sath deta he us k sath acha nahin hota,lekin confrontation se bachna bhi behter tha,asal main hum itne ziada jhuk gay,jitni shaid america ko bhi na umeed thi aur na hi zaroorat.
n.b.
i used to be such a strong advocate of these mullahs,a few years back,but as u said when they came into power they have really disappointed all their well-wishers and voters alike.
now look at what is happening these days over the chief justice issue.sharam ati he yeh sab dekh ker

mushkil zaroor he lekin impossible nahin.world cup hamaisha bating k zor per jeeta jata he,bowling se nahin.aur ager hamari batting click ker jay to hamare chances aabhi bhi hain.pakistani experts k opinion perho to aisa lagta he jaise hum super-8 main bhi nahin jaga bana sakain gay.but other c**tries are still rating us among the four most likely semi-finalists.

S.D
let me tell u one thing.your presence here was one of the main reasons why i kept visiting this forum.and i'm so shocked to know that i will no longer be able to listen to your valuable views.i have always been unable to truly reveal my feelings about those i love and admire,but now that you are leaving us,let me confess that you had been a source of inspiration for me.generally those who have relatively more knowledge of religion than others,become so rigid and narrow in their views,but you were always so keen to listen...so ready to accept other people's viewpoints if they were based on logic,so eager to help.
i'm sure you have pretty strong reasons to leave us.and i wont request you to change your mind,but please whenever you feel that now you can afford to take some time out from your high priority obligations...DO COME BACK.
you are so far...far away and yet so close to me that it really hurts to say good bye.
ALLAH hamaisha ap ka haami-o-nasir ho

PAKISTAN no matter what
england aur westindies main abhi doubt he.
lekin sahi pata jaisa doc ne kaha,preliminary round k baad hi chale ga

real bad news
sami and arafat to bas duaon k sahare hi kuch ker sakte hain.
shoaib ki injury to thi hi,lekin i feel k asif ko s.a tour main over use kia gaya tha verna shaid vo fit ho hi jata.

i have read the reviews on this movie but could not find it in local market.will even got nominated for academy awards for his role in this movie.
dhoondni pare gi

hmmm
the number 23,trailer ka maza aya.
main ne kuch din pehle vo dekhi thi,A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS,jim carrey was hardly recognisable.

ALLAH reham kare,sab k haal per

very nice
sis tumhain to achi khasi aqal a gai he.
yeh maujiza hua kaise

ALLAH is cache ko jald sehat yaab kare aur s.g ALLAH apko is kar-e-khair ka ajar ata fermay.
aameen

i completely agree with s.d on this issue,although i personally dont understand the phlosophy of aza-dari,but i respect those who practice it.but as s.d said its not a part of aqeeda,its a tradition and i have quite a few shia friends who attend majalis but dont take part in aza dari.
its such a tragedy that we have even tampered with the history of islam,and every sect has its own version of islamic history and those who have not heard the other side of the story,make statements that hurt others feelings.
as s.d has put it,lets not fight over what we practice,lets agree on what we commonly believe.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

it should but it does not since everyone has his own concept of decency.what might be off limits for u may be the norm for me.different cultures have different interpretations of values.

its scary yes,and this is not the only problem,sometimes while talking to friends,working in the office,suddenly i feel as if what is going on has happened before.sometimes i can even predict what the other is going to do or say.
m i going psycho,or what

ppl have made stereo types....a guy should behave this way,a girl must behave that way.and they judge others on the basis of their pre-conceived standerds,no matter how stupid and rigid they are.we dont take others as they are,and this i guess is the reason behind this hypocrisy.
but if u believe in yourself and in what u r doing,u must no feel frustration over it.let them go to hell and let them stay there

africans ko race main harana mushkil he.they have won the dubai marathon as well.vo bhooke pait bhagte hain,hum parathe kha ker

munafiqat isi ko kehte hain.
anyone who has a different and independent view towards life has to pay a price for that.rebel kehlana to kuch bhi nahin,yahan to kufer ka fatwa bhi lag jata he.

welcome back dear
P.H.D o God!thesis kya he?i guess larkian patane ke nay tareeqay

koi baat nahin
yeh vaise bhi yahan kafi dafa post ho chuki he.
nice poetry

Doctor Sam said:

kafi udaas...

kuch bhi acha nahi lag raha...

busss....

pata nahi...

yeh ap ki mosmi beemari he doc.
her saal hi aisa hota he