Badal said:

I read about this somewhere and believe it to be true and very logical that, in Jannah, a woman will be with that husband (ofcourse in case she had more than one marriages in her worldly life) who will be most pious and who will a higher rank in Jannah. (Urdu main ) Yani aurat apnay us husband kay sath hogi jis ko jannat main ziada uncha darja milay ga. Ofcourse, us shaks kay sath tu bilkul nahi jo uska husband raha ho magar usnay usay Tallaq de di ho.

yes badal it is very logical
thx for reply
and as i request you k atleast once a week time nikal ker a jaya karo.tumhare aanay se bohat si uljhanain khatam ho jati hain.

badal and s.d
thank u so much once again
i agree with badal on all that he said.hamari aqal is qabil nahin k hum her baat ki haqiqat jaan sakain kuch baton ko bagher daleel k maan lena hi behter hota he.

brother in law waghera bhi to na-mehrum hi hote hain.
jahan perda hota he rape and adultery wahan bhi hoti he lekin kafi kam
yes incest and pedophily exist everywhere but this is no excuse for not observing perda.
perda bohat se masail ka hal he lekin sab masail ka nahin islam isi liay collectively sharia ko apnane ko kehta he kyunk individually hamara amal jitna bhi acha kyun na ho it does not bring out the desired result.
perda jis tarah hamare molvi paish kerte hain,parhi likhi,samajhdar khuateen ki majority us ko apne sath aik imtiazi salook k tour per leti he.you are not the only one who is complaining
HIJAAB IN MY OPINION
there is a greater topic in islam and that is SHARM-O-HAYA.islam wants its followers to have this quality... enrich it and exhibit it.now in our daily life we can manifest this quality in many ways,islam has even set out some guide lines regarding this through the life of HOLY PROPHET S.A.W.S,and one way of expressing that we are modest is our DRESS.because dress does make a statement so islam has given some clear guidelines regarding what to wear and how to wear and how to carry oneself with the prescribed/suggested/recommended dress.
these instructions...better call these guidelines are as follows.
1-your dress must cover your SATAR...the part of body u must have to hide from others.
i need not tell u what satar is but for the sake of clarity,a man must cover his body from his belly button(i forgot the decent word for it )to his knees,and a woman is supposed to hide her body completely leaving only face,hands and feet exposed(as u know there is even a controversy regarding the covering of face,but lets forget it for a while).now i dont see anything discriminating about it,and almost all muslim women in spirit atleast agree to it.
2-your dress must not be skin tight.
so that your SATAR does not get accentuated/become more prominent.again it applies to both men and women.that is why some molvis discourage men from wearing tight geans/pants since they dont serve the purpose well.
3-your dress must not be a see-through type.
both men and women should not wear clothes that show their SATAR.i have observed rather sheepishly that many women wear HIJAB but wear such clothes specially in summer that even their under garments are visible same goes for men...cotton wear leaves many in a sharamnak halat but they remain oblivious to it.
4-your dress must be such that is considered decent in your society.
in our mosques usually caps made of straw are kept for sinners like me so we could cover our heads but that is MAKROOH as no decent and self respecting man likes to wear them in public.similarly namaaz bohat gunde mazdoori wale kapron main perhna bagher kisi majboori k,bhi makrooh he since no one likes to dress like that in public.
5-u must carry yourself decently in public.
once holy prophet went to see hazrat usman he was relaxing and his shirt was exposing his belly,holy prophet saw it and at the same time hazrat usman realized that and immediately covered it.holy prophet smiled and said that even angels usman se HAYA kerte hain.this is a good example as to how should we carry ourself in public,even if we are wearing SHARAI LIBAAS.hamare merdon ki to ye halat he k jahan dil chaha,azar bund khola aur beth gay to make water
6-women when they go out must wear hijab.
this is the only instruction rather an order that is specifically for ladies only.GOD best knows the reason and logic but just imagine,if u cover your face....
1-u dont have to put on sun screen etc.your facial skin remains immune to ulteviolet rays.
2-u dont have to spend large amount of money on JUST TO LOOK GOOD IN PUBLIC.
3-u dont have to feel any insecurity when pakistani men are oggling at u like hell.
4-and as some ladies have told u begin to feel a strange inner confidence that helps u survive the day an a more better way.
if a women does not wear HIJAB it does not at all cost mean she is a W**RE.
if a woman does observe HIJAB,it does not make her the new addition of HAZRAT MARYAM either.
the decision is entirely one's own and no one has any right to interfare,but one atleast must accept the ORDER even if one does not obey it.
i have just tried to describe HIJAAB as i see it.HIJAAB kisi PABUNDI ka naam nahin aik SECURITY ka naam he.and the basic purpose it serves is SHARM-O-HAYA,jab vo hi na ho to saat perdon main raho ya nangay ho ker ghoomo,baat aik hi he

thx staright
u saved my money and time,i was just planning to call up a friend and go watch the movie.i was a bit sceptic myself but i thought lets give sangeeta another try...
but i trust your judgment

yazeed ka sath dene wale do tarah k log thay aik to newly conquered and newly converted ppl like syrians etc.un logon k liay khilafat kooi issue hi nahin tha,un k liay vo badshahat hi thi jo bhi takht per baith jay vo theek he.
doosra tabka tha the ppl of two holy cities and many of them were companions of prophet s.a.w.s,they were a minority but had great influence over the relatively new muslims because of their position,and yazeed and even before him his father muavia did everything they could in order to gain their support,since only this could give yazeed's gov.legitimacy....
and sadly they succeeded in their efforts to a great extent.
it was not a war between faith and power,yazeed is a muslim and their was no imminent danger to the religion itself but it was a war between two power seekers one was pious and other was a sinner...the pious one got the martyrdom and the sinner one got the power.
yazeed in my opinion did not want to kill imaam hussain at all,but he did not punish those who did....so we call him yazeed maloon....the cursed one,but hazrat ali did not punish those who killed hazrat usman and we dont call him........well,
HISTORY IS SUCH A CRUEL SUBJECT

masla bhaion ka nahin mehrum aur na mehrum ka he perda na mehrum se kia jata he chahe vo ap ka musalman bhai hi kyun na ho.thousand of muslim women r raped by their musalman bhais every year.ehtiat is liay zaroori he.

no one can draw a list of what is zaroori and what is not
her normal shakhas vo merd ho ya aurat us ko ye samajhna koi mushkil nahin k zaroorat kya he.job per jana zaroorat ho sakti he window shopping k liay jana nahin.ye ladies per depend kerta he k kya waqi zaroori he aur kya nahin.
chader wali baat na mukamal he char deewari wali baat k,u dont have to observe hijab in your own home is ki zaroorat bahir nikalne per hi paish ati he,aur ye samajhna koi mushkil nahin k ghar se bahir ap jitna bhi carefull raho ap k uthne baithne chalne phirne main,khane peene main,milne milane main be-perdagi bhi ho sakti he,be-ehtiati bhi,aur be-hoodagi bhi.
EHTIAT ZAROORI HE

sunnah aur faraz k dermian,almost mandatory that is

o.k.lets face it now
hum sab jo kuch bhi kehte ya sunte hain vo hamari suni hui ya parhi hui baton per hi mushtamil hota he.mmja ne jo kuch kaha lazmi nahin k vo sab bhi ghalat hi ho.
SANHA-E-KARBALA
much ado about nothing really.it is the most misinterpreted story in islamic history.yazeed aik nalaiq aur na ehal shakhs tha aur us ko musalmanon per hakoomat ka koi haq nahin tha,to phir itne bohat se sahaba karam ne us ki bait kyun ki,being myself a sunni muslim when i consulted a few sunni books about it all they say is that every sahabi is a mujtahid,jinhon ne baait ki ye un ka ijtihad tha aur jinhon ne bait nahin ki ye un ka ijtihad tha
this is hypocricy to say the least,ager hum jaise jahilon ko ye nazar a raha he k yazeed hakoomat k qabil nahin to un sahaba karaam ko kya ho gaya tha,ghalat ko ghalat samjhte huay us ka sath dena IJTIHAD nahin MUNAFIQAT kehlata he.
SHIAS ka point of view is muamle main ziada rational he,vo yazeed ki bait kerne walon ko munafiq kehte hain.u r either right or wrong there is nothing in-between.
and i respect IMMAAM HUSSAIN so much,for his strength of charecter,his piety and of course his kinship with the holy prophet s.a.w.s,but in my personal humble opinion he lacked the wisdom of his elder brother IMMAAM HASAN,who despite having the rightfull claim on throne,stepped down just to save the lives of muslims.HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN ZUBAIR pardon me if the name is wrong,also rebelled against yazeed and he did the right thing by staying in makkah while immaam hussain was lured by the false support of koofians.ager imaam hussain bhi makkah main rehte hazrat abdullah ka sath dete to shaid ye tragic event hota hi na.
baqi ye kehna k imaam hussain ne jaan de ker nana ka deen bacha lia,its just nonsense,kaise bachaya jabke yazeed un ki shahadat k baad bhi 3 saal araam se hakoomat kerta raha and did all the bad things that he wanted to do.
ISLAM ka masla nahin tha masla iqtidar ka tha,since the death of holy prophet,musalmanon main iqtidar ki rassa kashi shroo ho gai,jo hakoomat sambhal le us k liay ameer-ul-momineen kehlana bohat asaan ho jata he but essentially they all were dictators.
as for the JIHAD in early days of islam,well u go to a city besiege it and give the citizens a message
1-islam qabool ker lo aur hamare bhai ban jao
2-jizia dena qabool ker lo aur araam se raho
3-ya phir merne k liay tayar ho jao
if this is JIHAD then surely our dear mr.bush is also on jihad of his own,jizya before hazrat umer also included khumus and khumus also included women of the poor tribes.
i just disagree on one point with mmja
islam per amal kerna kisi bhi daur main na mumkin nahin raha.

jawad,nice job
atleast some one has the courage to discuss these issues openly
YIN
his/her replies have really disappointed me,typical negative thinking....expressing doubt about the faith of anyone who thinks differently from the popular beleif.it is very unforunate and disgusting
mmja ne 3 batain kahi hain.
1-aj kal k dour main islami talimaat per amal kerna almost na mumkin he.
2-islam k shroo dour k hukmaranon ne apne iqtidar ki khatir islam ko misuse kia.
3-islam dunday k zor per phaila aur dunia ka sakht tareen mazhab he.
now u have every right to agree or disagree on all three statements,but u dont have any right to ask other person
ap musalman hain
moderators should not allow anyone to express doubts about other's beliefs.
i can say many things on this topic but some other time

S.D.thanks so much
as u said it will be a long discussion if we start addressing all the topics one by one,so i wont mention what the differences are and try to share with u what we have learnt so far from this discussion.
N.B.
as u must have seen that i have changed the title of the thread,i think the term aur jan'ay ki khuahish is a very beautifull one and it describes everything that was in my mind when i made this topic.
ikhtilaf-e-rai is a bit harsh word but i did not initialy changed it since i wanted to get some HARSH replies in response.
DOC.SAM
mufti sahib se doston ki jo discussion hui aur jo feed back we got from our net frends,that is all very encouraging,a very good thing that i must mention here is that no one tried to give any fatwa aur any negtative remarks.evry one tried to help and understand the issue,and since we had deliberately not mentioned the matters in which we had differences of opinion we did not expect any solution....we were just looking for one answer....can we dare to disagree
and the answer is
NO,NEVER.
as the mufti sahib said.ikhtilaf-e-rai ka matlab to yeh he k ap k khayal main other person ne jo kuch kaha ya jo kuch kia vo ghalat he,behter tareeqa kuch aur tha,ya us ko aisa nahin kerna chahiay tha.
well,can we say this about the GOD ALMIGHTY or his HOLY PROPHIT S.A.W.S?even we,despite our all liberal thinking and open attitudes cant say that.
we had some doubts,some reservations and we wanted to know WHY,i mean what was the reason behind that all
and that according to mufti sahib is no sin at all,specially regarding the issues under concern since many ppl have already expressed their difference of opinion on these matters.
IF WE DONT QUESTION HOW CAN WE GAIN KNOWLEDGE
as s.d. has quite rightly said that there are matters that are non-negotiable in islam,u dont need to find logic or reason behind them,u just have to accept them and obey them,this is what doc.sam had also said in one of his replies,and this is what many others also said,so there is absolutely no room for question regarding these foundations of islam.
but besides that every matter is debateable and questionable so long as your INTENTION is to learn more about the religion and not to as they say keeray naklana.
for our deeds are judged by our INTENTIONS,and GOD knows i just want to seek knowledge.
THE MATTERS THAT ACTUALLY MADE ME TO RAISE THIS TOPIC ARE STILL OPEN,STILL UNDER DISCUSSION BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS SOLVED.
NOW,THE DOUBT CREATED BY SOME HALF LITERATE MULLAHS IS CLEAR AND WE ARE ABLE TO WORK MORE OBJECTIVELY ON THE ISSUES.
AND THAT IS ALL BECAUSE OF YOUR HELP AND GUIDANCE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF YOU

~Fragi~ said:

hum apko sudharney ka irada bhi nahi rakhtey nikamey bhaiya

ap kitne ache ho,fragi
queen nai bat suno
ap kitni achi ho,queen
ashii,
ap kitni achi ho,ashii

aise hi bongian marti hain
gals ko mystrious kehne wala khud bhi gal hi ho ga

LiL_DollY said:

intuitions say

how about a HOt Latino

jokin

intutions gone astray

kaisay

doc.thx God u finally got it
n.b thx.ap samjhdar admi ho
samajh aay na aay daad to de detay ho na
rapunzell behen perody hi nahin ap ko apne kuch aur kamalaat bhi dikhane thay,per ab kya faida

QUEEN VICTORIA said:

h nikamma jee nay bohat gehrayee main ja kat tabdeeli ki hai
i think ye batana chahtay hain kay in ka lahu kis haath per hai uus ka pata saray sheher nay in ko batay
lakin in hi kay pallay kuchh nahin para

aree nahin q.v
allama iqbal aur nikama ki shairy her koi nahin samajh sakta
hua kuch yun k sara sheher nikama ko samjhane aya
aur phir kon kon nikama k ghaiz-o-ghazab ka nishana bana koi pata nahin
hence
MAIN APNE HATH PE KIS KA LAHOO TALASH KAROON
TAMAAM SHEHER HI AYA THA MUJH KO SAMJHANE

balon k nahin hum to masoom k peechay paray hain vo akhir reh kahan gaya

aameen
security arrangements ka perh ker kal ka peshawar ka bomb blast yad a gaya

han na log umer guzar detay hain aur khud se waqif nahin ho pate,aur aik hum hain

han,
jab sara aalam sota he

my GOD!
wahab,its so hilarious
will u explain the term customizable handle of nadir kon mehendi
i wish i could join your gang

lynx said:

lo jee shuker ha ka Dr sahab ko samjh lag gayi..ab koi tension nahi ha

han,bara kam to ho gaya

chalo koi bat nahin fragi aisa to chalta hi rehta he life main

Doctor Sam said:

i m v sorry to know about it. this is LAMHA-E-FIKRIYA when we cant get the proper guidance from those who are responsible for this.
well i agree to the point to some extent
ye sab shaitani waswase hain
As in Quran-e-Pak , shaitani waswason se Allah ki panah mangni chahiye coz these ONLY distract our mind and nothing else.
However, Ulma-e-karam are responsible to satisfy and answer the qs of ordinary people.If they are unable to do so, its a tregedy.

English Literaturei dont know what type of english literature is being mentioned.

and the last thing,what these Molana did, they are responsible, But u should not use bad words for them

we had given some references from some books written by nonmuslims.that was the english lterature,maulana was talking about.
shetani waswase bhi hote hain no doubt,lekin jab ap daleel k sath baat kerte hain to ap ko us ka jawab bhi daleel k sath hi milna chahiay.
problems hamare mulla log k sath yeh he k ye apne apne firqe ki books k ilava aur kuch perhne ki zehmat hi nahin kerte.jab inhain pata hi nahin k hamare deen per eitrazat kya kiay ja rahe hain to ye un ka jawab bhala kya dain gay.
hum ne jin books k ya web sites k havale diay thay unmain bhi references quran aur hadees k hi thay aur main ne un ko verify bhi ker lia tha original books main se.
any way good news is that we are getting very good feedback on the issue from our friends on the net,us k ilava aik bohat achay mufti sahib se kal doston ki mulaqat hui main to nahin ja saka,lekin unhon ne ALLAH ka shukar he k kafi had tak bohat maqool batain kahin.
main ab in sab views ko jo hamain mile compile ker raha hun,aur aik jo majmooi soch us main se nikle gi us se ap logon ko bhi agah ker doon ga.
i thank all of u who posted here,ashii,n.b and doc.
s.d aur badal ki ghair mojoodgi main yahi kuch expect kia ja sakta he yahan

tere khat aj main gangaa main baha aya hun
aag behte huay pani main laga aya hun
bohat ache bhai bohat abhe

very nice

cutefriend said:

moti bhulaker aunty

aunty vo bhi moti
acha kia bata dia c.f.

Ashii said:

hum to chale
hum ko rukhsat kijiye















abay kya hai
namaz parh k sone jane lagi hu thori deir mei
kyaaaa na tum loogggggg,, baat kahan se kahan le jaate ho

rokta kon he
poochta kon he

asthma perhte raho eid k din bhi