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rapunzel said:
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puri dunain main pak wahid jaga haii jahan ka jo b sadar banain wo apna bank balance and apnain logo ko ash karwata haii, khair jaisii log waisa hukamraan,
You may not know this, but you are insulting Pakistani Nation. Also, your knowledge of the politics seems very limited. Just so you know, even the presidents in US do the same. They take care of people who help them get on the top.
Insult oh bibi hum agay hi dahsat ard mashoor hain puri dunya mein jayo ja k pocho kitni Izzat rah gyi hai Pakisatni nation ki puri dunya mein jab b aeroplane highjack hota hai tu wo kisi musalman n Pakitani ka karnama qarar dya jata hai,kaheen b koi bomb blast ho European countries ya kaheen b tu us mein Pakitan shamil hota hai Bibi apko pata ho tu AMERICA mein b president sirf 2 bar elect ho ssakta hai is Mush ki tarah 4th time b dhetayi se papers nhi jama karaye jate,Pakitani leaders ko waise har cheez mein America bohat yad ata hai magar jahan bat unk mufad ki na ho wahan America ghayab ho jata hai Wo sirf unhi ki care nhi akrte jo unhein top pe pohanchaye balke har citizen ko full rights dye jate hain jab ka yahan kisi ko b kabhi b jail b bina muqadmay k dal sakte hain kion k Ye Mush ka Pakitan hai Quaid E Azam ka nhi
Why am I not surprised that this is coming from you. Pakistan has Parliamentary form of Government, which means that President does not have any powers. The state is run by Prime Minister which happen to have a restriction on his two terms.
Tell me which pakistani has bombed a European country or hijacked a plane. Since you have access to news that rest of the world does not, I am sure you can get that information for all of us at JB.
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Well, you sure have shown your level of education here. WOW!!! and believe me, that is the problem with the nation. We yell and curse at non problems. Let me asnwer your questions one by one with my inferior woman brain.
rapunzel said:
Miss sharmili we were happy but 8 years AGO bcz he said i'll do this n that wht he did for Pakistan??u says pakitan is third fastest growing country i dont agree this is just in papers n nothing else.
People were not happy 8 years ago. There was a reason Musharaf was welcomed by every one. Pakistan sure is a third fastest growing economy in Aisa. You cannot expect the problems of 60 years to diminish in 8 years. In 8 years the current govt brought Pakistan back from the brinks of bankruptcy to the current state.
rapunzel said:
Miss sharmili agar economy itni fast ja rhi hai tu kabhi ate ka aur kabhi cheeni ka buhran koyo hai?
Something tells me you know nothing about economy. These things have nothing to do with economy. It has to do more with law and order (not directly, but indirectly). The shortage was created by traders who want more money. There are laws on the books to stop the traders, but the implementation is poor. It has nothing to do with economy.
rapunzel said:
Kabhi Karachi ka pul girta hai jo sirf 1 month pahle khula tha aur jis pe arabo lage hain unk mujrim kahan hai?
We lost a bridge in US,whats the big deal. Just because people do not have respect for law, does not mean that the policies of govt towards the betterment are bad.
rapunzel said:
Jo aurtain bache be gunnah shaheed huay hain Lal masjid mein unka kya?
One thing you really need to understand. These people made a state within a state. They were given ample time to leave the area. They were stubborn enough not to leave. A bullet does not distinguish between a man and a woman.
rapunzel said:
Abdul Qadeer ko itne saal se nazar band kya hai unka? Unki sehat itni buri tarah mutasir ho rhi hai uska kya?
I have limited knowledge on this one. But from what I know, he was involved in illegal arms dealing.
rapunzel said:
Hum aik bohat beghairat aur ehsan faramosh qaum hain Mush ko kuch na kaho bcz he Bloody did much for Pakistan magar hum mein aik b Abdul Qadeer k haq mein nhi uththa unk lye kisi ko dard nhi jagta had darja begahirat qaum hai
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puri dunain main pak wahid jaga haii jahan ka jo b sadar banain wo apna bank balance and apnain logo ko ash karwata haii, khair jaisii log waisa hukamraan,
You may not know this, but you are insulting Pakistani Nation. Also, your knowledge of the politics seems very limited. Just so you know, even the presidents in US do the same. They take care of people who help them get on the top.
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rapunzel said:
Baazi bhai Mush aj tak ki history mein sab se ghatiya leader hai mujhe tu ye samjh nhi ati k ye cheez kya hai America ka chamcha jitni nafrat is se mujhe hai aur kisi se nhi aur aj tak 8 saala dor mein is ne hamain dya hi kya hai mehangayi lot mar,dhamankay,khoon bus........
Seems like a very emotional talk. How did you determine that Musharaf is the worst of all. Eight years ago, it was you (as in pakistani public) who cheered for him. Eight years ago, everything was going in negative for pakistan. Today, pakistan is third fastest growing economy in Asia. All this happened while Musharaf was leader of the nation. How can you say that he is the worst of all. Sure, we can get rid of him but what other alternative you have.
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Ashii, that does sound like correct figure. It was not until Musharaf made it a law to register the Madrissas that people actually started registering them.
Again, madrissas do not include the education given in Masjid's etc in the evening. These semi-madrassas are still teaching hate.
As far as the hate against Muslims. It has always been there. Instead of pointing fingers at West, Muslims need to figure out a way to get rid of hate amongst various sects. A shia kiling sunni(or vice versa) in the name of religion is simply wrong and unjustifiable.
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He is supposed to be the leader. If he cannot handle people working for him, he should just resign.
When it comes to the infrastructure, I do agree that it is messed up. Pakistan is number 12 on the list of failed states. Nothing is in order. The political establishment is not sincere towards the country. 95% of wealth is controlled by 5% of people in the country. There is a disconnect between that 5% and rest 95%. This is eventually going to bring about revolution, which I think will not be bloddless.
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exactly my point. Religion was forced down our throat when we were kids. We were denied the permission to question the teachings of the religion for the sake of understanding it.
It is just a shame. But I think we can fix it by educating ourselves and making sure we pass the word around to everyone we know.
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One man rule in general is wrong. It simply gives one person way too much power. No matter how many good decisions he makes, he is bound to make a mistake that will ruin everything.
Look at what Nawaz Sharif went through. He was a dictator with "democracy" label. Same is the case with Musharaf. The only difference is, that one put the Democracy label before becoming the dictator, and other one went the other way.
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You cannot generalize this. You will need to take this case by case basis. You can easily find the instances where a working mom is more contributing to the family than the home maker mom. The same is true in reverse.
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its not about keeping the ranch of holy cows. Its more about understanding of religion by individuals. We have given this responsibility to the local Imam's of Masjid, who happen to have very limited knowledge themselves. They are like "Andhoon main Kaana Raaja". They know a bit more than you do, but they really don't know it all.
This has resulted in the culture that promotes nothing but problems. From what I have seen, people don't even question what Imam sahib says. His words become the final words (in most of the cases).
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I think, its more of when a religion gets out of the life of ordinary people, the fall of that religion starts.
We as Muslims (specially in sub continent) use the term "complete code of life" very loosely. We really don't understand the meaning of it. Even those people who actually preach this do not seem to have the grasp of what does this mean.
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Sehr, media is not just TV news. Media covers a lot of other things. Like, Print Media (newspapers, magazines etc), Radio, TV, etc etc.
Now that we defined media, lets move on to second part of your post. First of all, the word "Paki" is a racial slur. If I were you, I would refrain from using it. Secondly, why do you have a problem with people living in Pakistan liking actions movies etc?
Now back to the original question by Ashii. Well, I am not in Pakistan. Haven't been there in a while, so I can't answer your question
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Living in boarding school is like living a rich life. Everythins is paid in full by your parents. There are rules and regulations, but you really don't have to follow them. Unlike your parents, they can't beat the crap out of you for not following rules
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There are people who raise their voice against these issues. Unfortunately when it comes to religion, lack of religious knowledge, and trust on local imam can create havoc.
For crying out loud, we are talking about a society who burns a Hafiz-e-Quran to death because he dropped a piece of paper with Quranic Ayat in fire. That is the level of education we have about our own religion.
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Unless Catholism, Islam does not have a highest authority. So, no matter what Imam Kaaba says, there are going to be other scholars who will give fatwa towards violence. and there are going to be lot of people who will follow their local imam than Imam-e-Kaaba. After all he is not the absolute authority on Islam, so why listen to him
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It is very unfortunate that Muslims are in such condition. Every empire has to go down one day or another, be it a Roman or Muslim. History tells that every Empire goes down due to the same reasons. The events may be differents, but the circumstances tend to remain the same.
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You are kidding? Right?
You have basically approved of all ills in the society with that statement. Its hard to completely remove evil from the society. But one needs to control how much evil you can sustain in ur society.
Making "P**N" available 24x7 in the home is just increasing the number of people who can have access to P**N. Are you going to suggest next that Govt should allow women in pakistan to start wearing bikinis?
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Violence againts Muslims or no-muslims too. Well if he says we get united then i hink that will also lead to voilence against the non-muslims.
Not true. If Muslims are united, they will not have so many problems.
Ever wondered what is United States of America? All the states (aka countries) in North America has united to form one Govt. Now look at the advantage it has over everyone.
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I think people are just blowing it out of proportion. The PERMA law is a valid one. There are hundreds of illegal cable operators in Pakistan. PERMA has not been able to do anything about them because there was no law. Now it has the tool to hit them where it hurts.
and please don't tell me that these cable operators are innocent. Most of these illegal operators are showing what is considered "P**N". Last I checked, it was illegal in Pakistan to show P**N. With the availability of P**N on cable, what are the youth doing in their free time (which they happen to have until they hit 30)? Yes, watching P**N in their homes.
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Its not about talent only. Its about opportunity,and the circumstances. People are talented all over the world. The word "Talent" is very broad in nature. Talent can be as simple as reading a book.
In my opinion, when people talk about talent in pakistan, they are just stating the fact that it has a pool of educated people. These people if provided proper opportunities and circumstances, can not only help themselves, but others around them. Again, the help can be as simple as following the traffic rules (which no one does in pakistan).
i dont agree this is just in papers n nothing else.
