I'm unsure about its validity. Are sure about it? and if yes, how are you so sure?

you know what!
none of it, so long as no part of it crosses steps over the line of halal and wanders in the haram. It however brings one closer to it. Most of it today is in that category for one reason or another.

Topic here is not if music is halal or haram, rather it pertains to whether it is a source of comfort to the soul?

Sall - you asked a million dollar question
why don't you make it a topic and see how people respond to it.

I don't really know much about music. Singing has to follow a tune, a rhythm, a beat, and a voice that can match all of the above. Quran has its own rule of recitation and it cannot be tuned to fit a rhythm. The tilawah of Quran is supporsed to in between mere reading and singing - that is the ettiquete of reading Quran.

agreed to a great extent with, "but its same with those who read it without understanding". For those who don't have any means to get that education, they may be exempted or those who are attempting to learn it.

Where did you find this hadith my brother. I hope it is true and bring forgiveness for all those who read it. I find it little difficult to comprehend. It does not jive with other sayings and practises of the prophet SAW. He (saw)stood up in prayers for long at nights and asked forgiveness for more than 70 times a day. Only saying afew word 14 times a day would exceed that practise of him! Why didn't he use thses words instead of seeking Allah's forgiveness in multitudes and in hours of worship and azkar?

I like what paki-fan said except that prphet was a very good looking person. There are ,many traditions that support that.

foul mouthing is very undesirable in to Allah. What Prophet SAW said (roughly translated and understood), "one who curses his father (parents in another tradition)will not enter the paradise. For one who curses someone else's parents, its like cursing his own because that person will curse his parents too. and thus he is responsible for it."

Sall, have you ever brought a dead person back to life or have you seen or known anyone doing that except for miracles Allah mentioned in the Quran!

Qada salah means the prayers are decesed. How can you bring it back to life?

Rooh belongs to Allah and its pleasure is in the rememberance of Allah. This is what will return to Allah as bodies will become dust. Music is the food for nafs - desires.

Sall, you always bring interesting twist to things. Remember well, Quran is not poetry neither it is prose. Using a good voice to recite it doesn't mean it becomes musical. It is not permissible to sing Quran. For those, who only enjoy the voice of the recitor and the rythmic combination of Ayat, its a pleasure for their ears but not their soul, because it didn't reach that far as they don't understand a word of it. For those who really do understand the message in it, they can't check tears in their eyes for the love and fear of their Lord.

KB
bcaz we are followers, we are not leaders. We justify everything we do with the argument that "they do it".

Those who live in pak, i can understand. I can feel for those who were born in Pak & then migrated elsewhere. But I aint sure about those born in a third country.

for example, A couple was born in Bangladesh but their child was born in pakistan. Then this child migrated to etihopia. He had a child there. What's his identity? bangladeshi, Pakistani or ethiopian!

bcuz they find something ugly

how r u and ur kuchiii puchhiiiizzzz - ALHAMDULILLAH, very well
y r u so busy - Can't help it!
r u younger or older than me,, khehehee - WELL, I guess I need to know your age and only then I can make that determination
how often my posts drive ya mad - not very often, only when you go way out there
do u really think imma duffer - you bet ya! just kiddin
do u sometimes pray for my sall - I do

the rest of questions are in religion and serious corner
answer them alll - can't promise that

shahrukh khan said:

Smooth_daddy said:

NB: Jazak Allah o khairan
Freddy: good ta hear fraom ya! life is ticking away.
business research, like business intelligence, business data analysis and so on...

he said salaam to you

oops missed that!

waalaykumussalam warahamatullahi wabarakatuh to you SRK and everyone else.

NB: Jazak Allah o khairan
Freddy: good ta hear fraom ya! life is ticking away.
business research, like business intelligence, business data analysis and so on...

ur fav 5 mem? Sorry, can't do that, its not fair.
ur name? see above
fav flower? all but luv tulips
what do u do? research
what ur avatar means? co workers called me smooth daddy because I made smooth sale pitches when I worked for a marketing company during my college years.

Whats ur name? SOHAIL
ur education? MS
what u doing right now?(job)yeap
ur fav personality? no one on this forum knows that person
fav book? more than 1
future plans? unite the ununited
how did u join this forum? by accident
fav member? its not fair to name one
any regret in ur life? had some but no more.
which things makes you mad? dishonesty
when was the best day of ur life? can't pick one. there have been so many. I am thankful for every one of them.

It sounds so phony

sorry, but you are wrong again. A worst believer is better than a pagan or a disbeliever. And about intentions, we don't know what's in the heart; so lets not judge intentions.

strange definition of Shirk...hmmmm seems like strange things get your attention very quickly. would you mind sharing that definition with us

Daydreamer said:

Hinduism, What do you think of it?

Any Hindus here

As humans, I respect them and if they are my neighbors, I will give them their rights just as Islam teaches me. I don't believe in anything they believe or celebrate anything they celebrate, but that doesn't mean I disrespect them. I will be friendly with them even when they are not friendly with me, but I will stand firm on my belief.

SALL said:

well im not hindu and i can only thnx Allah that he made me belong to a muslim family,, so muslim paida hone mei mera koi kamal nahi


now wot i think abt hinduisme,, hmmmm nothing much
im against their cast system even tho we muslims believe and practice it
rahi baat devi/devtaon ki,, i ve nothing to say against it

Molana Asrar once talked abt the logic of prosterning infront of statues,,
according to hindu scholars hindu "dheyan" k liye buut k agay jhukte hein bilkul jaise muslims ka "dheyan" kibla ki taraf hota hai,, hijr e aswad is a stone too

they beleiev in ishwar and we beleive in Allah,, we believe in angels and prophets and they beleive in devi/devta (called bhagwan ka avtar)
woh log paise k liye laxmi devi k agay jhukte hein,,, we do the same but we dont name it a devi,,

aik "jahil" hindu aur muslim mei koi fark nahi hai
han Islam ar hinduism mei bohot fark hai
baat sirf imaan, yakeen aur niyyat ki hai
its said that RAM may b a prophet, same is said abt Buddha, agar uss ko maane waale galt ho gae to unn mei hum mei koi fark nahi coz we ve changed our religion too

i have a translation of Ramayan but never get time to read it

Sall, Sall, Sall...... I completely, totally, and absolutely disagree with your equating Islam with Hinduism or Muslims with Hindus.
Hindu religion is a total opposite of monotheism. A believer believes and bows in front of Allah alone with no need for any interpreter or middle-man. A muslim knows that Allah alone can provide for needs and wants of every creature. There is just no room for another deity. No body bows or prostrate to "Hijr ul Aswad". People kiss it because the prophet of Allah did and was ordered by Allah. Allah ordered none other stones to be kissed, let alone bowing or prostrating to it and asking it to provide anything. Anyone who takes Hijrul Aswad or kabaa itself as divine or being able to provide anything, are no less than mushrik.

Allah says about those beliving in gods of stone and such earthly materialthat those "humans and their stone (gods) will become the fuel of the hell fire.)

In another place, Allah swt draws parables between believers and mushrikeen when he asks, do people who can see and blinds are equal", He asks, "those who can hear and deaf are equal?" He asks, are people of paradise and people of hell fire are the same? Then He says, "people of the pradise are those who have succeeded and placed high".

Ram, Buddha ... whoever they were and whatever was their message then, it contradicts the basic tenets of Islam and the islamic belief system, i.e, unity of God.

Islam has not changed and it still is in its original form, i.e pillars of faith, and articles of belief are intact as they were the first day.

Likewise, teachings of Moses and Jesus were very similar to those of prophet Mohammed, but the change in those religions were fundamental and they lost their basic ingedients. If anything closer to Islam are the people of the book. Hinduism is a total opposite of it. Islam was sent to protect people from hell fire whose fuel would be the people and the stones with which they made their own gods.

Mr. nice guy, I agree there should be some sharing of good happenings as well. I am very much concerned about the news nikama related.

I agree rap. I mean to say, things don't change overnight. If we want change, then we must be the agents of change and want it for ourselves first. When motives and purpose in mind change, change in the society follows the suit.

thanks rap

Its a matter of personal choice & interest.
Rap / Sall
age could be a factor, bcuz at very young age, topics of religion aren't very attractive. Yet some people think being "politically correct" by separating religion from other aspects of life. And some avoid it, "just because". Bottom line: Its a matter of choice and interest.

Religion is easy and it offers a range of choices. I must say, you all have valid points but they are all inclusive in Islam. None excludes the other.

What I meant to say, prophet SAW said, "one can marry a woman for her beauty, her wealth, her background and family or for her religion (way of life). Marrying for her deen is the best of all". He did not render the other three reasons as un-Islamic. Offering simplistic valima or a grand one is yet a choice. Teachings of Islam (Quran and hadeeth) are against extravagance. There will be accountability for it but it is not prohibited. Islam teaches us the middle road, i.e. a balanced approached. Going on either extremes is a path away from the middle course.

Daydreamer said:

If you wana stay in it, good luck then

Desi_MC said:

smoothyyyyyyyyyyyy
long time no see bro.... how u doin

I'm in and out bud
how u doin?

Daydreamer, my friendly advice, don't waste your time.

Dilema: Islamic sol?
Istekharah!
then do whatever you feel comfortable doing.

Sall, you know what! goras in US are aliens to the land who claimed their ownership by force. Now they want to restrict Mexicans from entering lands of their fore-fathers. Goaras of Europe colonized lands of other people for centuries but want to restrict their entry in these countries. It is the interest that drives policies in its direction.

Mallak, Thanks

Ddreamer, you are among handful of fortunate people. Fifty or more years ago, only few genuinly fortunate people from pak had opportunity to study in the west. Mostly, they were children of those who served brit masters during colonial rule in sub-continent. Most pakis settled in Europe were low skilled and poorly educated people who entered europe illeagly.

I mean no offense to any one and apologize for if it hurts anybody's feelings. It is not directed to any individual. It is a generic observation.
It is very ironic, children (2nd or 3rd gen)of illegal pakis who came to brit or us with no skills, better yet, no education want to curb immig also. Simply forgeting if their ancestors didn't enter these lands illeagally they would have born in a third world country themselves and would not be enjoying amenities of life that are to their disposal now.
My point here being mindful of our own background before demanding such sweeping changes in the system.