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well, perpetrators and their patronizers are equally responsible. Allowing such elements that bring bad name to religion, country and society shifts responsibility to that society. Protests have been taking place all over the country. There exists a pattern of violence in the country and the Muslim world. What an onlooker gets out of it is simple, "muslim societies condone violence".
WOL, I agree that handful of people bring bad name for everybody else. Percentage of these miscreants is little but it is rising and have been a dominant factor in Paki society. Generally, people resort to violence on pettie issues. We have had a long hisotry of mass violence on every matter, particularly on religious divides. This culture has got to change and we need to adopt ways of peaceful and higly effective means to resolve problems.
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...because people think they are getting sawab doing that. These idiots don't realize that muslims losing their life and burning their own property whereas, those who perpetrated cartoons and those backing them are sleeping peacefully.
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Shahenshah said:
shahrukh khan said:
what will goverment do...nothing...
when i first heard of the cartoon, i was mad, but i thought muslims governments will unite on this one and will put on hell of a protest....but to my surprise...nothing...just minimal protest by governments here and there....and this has done nothing but fuel my anger....but not at cartoon now, but muslim government ke be-hisi aur lachari per
All of that will change. Largest of changes happen with the change at the atomomic and molecular level. You and I are those small atoms, which if change will change the whole system.
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We don't have any time to waste. Let's make sure we earn to invest in it and that would be our contribution in bringing lasting solution to this problem.
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Then, lets not worry about them. Let's focus on raising a generation who knows their focus is to excel for the purposes of upholding the name of Islam in high esteem. Let's teach them that their focus in life is not to be rich but it is to establish the upper hand of Islam. If we did that and motivated people around us to do that then in fifty years no one would dare to disrespect the Prophet.
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You know what Europeans did after the fall of Eastern Roman Empire. They made sure their next generation was brainwashed with hate against Muslims, best of poets, writers and scientist of Eastern Europe took refuge in Western Europe. They took upon themselves to educate their youngones and that they focused on their development. They resolved to be ahead in science and technology and self sufficient... In less than 100 years, they expelled Muslims from Spain. There on, they have stamped over Muslim lands and we helped them push ourselves in the dark ages.
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Fine! Pak banned Danish meds. for how long? does it mean Pak will ensure that in 5 years they should produce their own meds and not depend on European products?
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Those acting with emotions will settle down as soon as their emotions will settle down. Measures should be taken with a level head. They should be with lasting effects that will deter anyone even having thoughts of blasphamy aginst the beloved prophet.
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I do not disagree wid ya Shah! not a bit!
But we got to play it sensibly not emotionaly.
Note that when Muslims were few and weak in Makkah and kuffar made fun of the Prophet and disrespected him. Best of the believers did not respond to that. Prophet and his companions focused on their goal and opted to strengthen themselves before engaging in any conflict. They did not make threats or resort to violence.
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BadShaH1 said:
yea it would have been more effective if it was 30 years back. we need a leader. start changing all ourselves. doing little things by our own.
It still is a very viable tool. Exactly 30 years ago, Arab countries enforced oil embargo on US and western countries. It was very effective. What happened in reaction? No violence or death threats happened. They however executed many leaders who masterminded the embargo. They did not make any boasted claims over it but they achieved what they wanted. This and a plan to ensure oil supply to their countries will never cease covertly ensued. If that meant war, assassinations, blackmailing, or any thing else, they put their goal ahead of all means.
We know how they did that. Their highly educated and shrewed minds focused on the bigger picture. They kept a maske of peace and friendship up while planned and executed their strategies without claiming their small successes.
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Besides, Muslim oil giants have large assets in Europe which they can't afford to risk either. Remember, US froze Iranian gold assets in US banks during Regan admin.
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I agree with bazi, freeze oil exports to Europe. Show that unity of Muslims on the issue of Prophet Mohammed SAW.
That won't happen in million years. Those countries (at least their rulers) have a lot at stake with Europeans. They can't risk that. After all Muslims want lavish lives too.
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Violence no answer to it. What did muslims gain? nothing!!! but only Muslim lives were lost. Life, proprety and honor of a believer fares higher in the sight of Allah than the Arafah and the day of hajj. This is what prophet AS told us.
Agreed to Bazi about having greater emotions about Allah and at least at par for prophets as for Prophet Mohammed SAW. Unfortunately Muslims failed to protest aginst cartoons of Allah and His other messengers. That, however, in no way restricts them from protesting against sacrilegious depictions of the beloved Prophet. I agree it is selective Islam but its better than no Islam.
Protesting the way muslims have is not Islamic. Guised in these protests are feelings of Muslims about westerners gradual control on them and helplessness of Muslims world over.
Trade and economic boycott is a very effective tool. Unfortunately, this is the only tool Muslims have and they play it every time.
Why do you think other European countries published those cartoons knowing it will draw huge protests against them and possible boycott of their exporting goods? My friends, they did that to show the unity of European nations and to send a message to the Islamic world, "Dare you boycott Danish products". Boycott Geramn, British, French... products too!!
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Shahenshah said:
ek cheez hoti hae sharm-o-haya...mind na kerna ppl...per unfortunatly we r all losing it slowly...slowly...generation after generation...and one day we will be no different then west...
Bazi, ur It worries me a great deal ...who would that generation be? your and my kids - and we'll be asked about how we raised them.
Dr. good topic
Queen: Muharam is one of the great months of Allah. But know it well, if it was in Zul-Hajj (especailly in the firtst 10 days), sins are also added several folds. Last year or the year before that, it was in Zul-Hajj.
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I believe your questions are more like comments on the irony and twisted understanding of Muslims. I concur with you on most of them.
Reaction to Prophet's insult is natural as well as emotional. I must say however, Prophet pbuh, is the noblest of all the prophets and messengers and best of the creations of Allah. Reactions of Muslim Ummah on this matter is sign of remanants of Iman and honor among them. Not reacting to sacrilegious depiction of God Almighty and prophet Jesus are signs of diminishing Iman and ever so receding understanding of Islam.
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Many regards to Queen for having courage to stat this topic. Dito Bazi, Sall we give the impression of violent natured people. Those who don't know about a system they judge it by the acts of its followers.
Everybody else, we must be effective in our response to blasphemous and irresponsible attitude of those who attempted to insult the prophet and followers of Islam.
Those acting with emotions will settle down as soon as their emotions will settle down. Measures should be taken with a level head. They should be with lasting effects that will deter anyone even having thoughts of blasphamy aginst the beloved prophet.
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Good for you D-MC
To change your circumstance. First thing you may want to establish would be to leave the company and quit visiting places that lead you to that life style. Let's take one step at a time. May Allah be your helper Ameen
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D-MC, God Almighty is merciful. You approach Him walking, He will run to you. You have the doors of repentence open until death. You can be a good person and a good Muslim. Do you want to change? Are you ready to change?
