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CM: Sinning is against Allah. Sin is crime in the court of Allah. It may be condoned in worldly courts but convicts of it are criminals and punishbale in Allah's law.
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Chandramuki said:
Right on SD you're the voice of reason, I learn alot from you ofcourse God decides what's right and wrong, but it is up to the people to abide by it. 'criminals' just sounds like a wrong way to describe gays, i think 'sinners' is more appropriate and precise.
am i adultrophobic? hmm, well we can all aford one phobia!
Im thankful to Allah - if i say something and it benfits someone.
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I think we r talking about getting in shape - does it mean "be sxc"? Being in shape doesn't mean to show off. You wanna be fit buz you wanna feel good and be able to work.
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I m failing to understand what's there to be +ve about?
I don't want to be -ve but then I m big on recognizing and diagnosing the problem and then finding solutions. if we don't acknowledge and don't condone what happens around us, we'll never be able to correct it.
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Badal, my friend, none of us were there and we don't know why his wife refused to him. let's not assume or conclude on the basis of speculations. if his wife refused to respond, that's between her and Allah. There is no punishment or kafarah for her. Besides, she is not a suspect or on trial here.
Because his wife didn't let him approach, he wouldn't have spared his own sister or ... if they happened to be in the house.
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A practice of dark-aged ignorance Islam wiped with the light of Almighty. Almighty, the most merciful, gives His protection to girls' life under the fold of Islam. But unthankful human refuses to bow down to His commandments.
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LiL_DollY said:
Smooth_daddy said:
Badal, I disagree with you in the fact that his wife's refusal led him to a crime of unparallel proportions. Now, i can take it as the straw that broke camel's back. I think there are a lot of reasons that led the man to this crime.
ahadeeth you mentioned are true and authentic. I must, however, mention that these ahadeeth are to discourage a woman from refusing to the call of husband. when she is able to (physically, emotionally and mentally) but refuses only to tease the man, she is in contempt of hadeeth. Of course, if she's ill, tired, or when she feels her husband is abusive or is drunk or high on drugs, she may refuse to her husband. Allah knows the best.
CM: you are taking it to the other side of the spectrum. Your argument of hadeeth's validity is weak. you have not stated a[n] opinion of a scholar who's versed in the original language and religion to refute badal's claims. I think (I could be totally wrong) that you reject this hadeeth becuase it is contrary to your set of believes but you don't want to say that either.
If the wife refused why didnt he jsut pick her up and take her and not give her a choice it still doesnt give him the choice to hurt someone else
I couldn't agree more. and I can't imagine a person so respectful to his wife's desire not to be approached but he couldn't careless for a child's screams and cries who shouted "NO" at the top of her lungs.
For even once I don't believe his stories. he's changed stories so many times. But I want to give him a chance to prove his innocence. That's a requirement for justice.
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Gosh, of all things we have to argue about banning a movie a Muslim producer produced
my favorite part is: "where are the scholars..."
seriously, we are people who react on emotions.
Anybody thinks banning can stop things from happening This movie was mad when most of the paticipants here were not even born. It was available on VHS in pakistan in 70s and 80s.
Scholars in Al-Azhar are far better equipped with knowledge to render something Islamic or unIslamic. Let's not impose our limited (actually very limited) knowledge of religion upon those who have studied the subject. I'm sure no one here will comment (criticize) on the expert opinion of a scholar from NASA.
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Badal, I disagree with you in the fact that his wife's refusal led him to a crime of unparallel proportions. Now, i can take it as the straw that broke camel's back. I think there are a lot of reasons that led the man to this crime.
ahadeeth you mentioned are true and authentic. I must, however, mention that these ahadeeth are to discourage a woman from refusing to the call of husband. when she is able to (physically, emotionally and mentally) but refuses only to tease the man, she is in contempt of hadeeth. Of course, if she's ill, tired, or when she feels her husband is abusive or is drunk or high on drugs, she may refuse to her husband. Allah knows the best.
CM: you are taking it to the other side of the spectrum. Your argument of hadeeth's validity is weak. you have not stated a[n] opinion of a scholar who's versed in the original language and religion to refute badal's claims. I think (I could be totally wrong) that you reject this hadeeth becuase it is contrary to your set of believes but you don't want to say that either.
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maryam. said:
molests them? what do you mean smooth?
I pray to Allah no child's ever molested. May He protect your children and mine.
I didn't mean it the way it came out. sorry for the slip up. What I meant was, when you have children, you think about protecting your children from molesters and do care about who they hang out with and who's around them. That's when you really care (I speak for myself)!
Child molesting is crime and so is homosexuality. Allah declared it as a crime. We do care about what happens in the society becuz we live in it and it affects us and our children.
heck no you're the voice of reason, I learn alot from you
ofcourse God decides what's right and wrong, but it is up to the people to abide by it. 'criminals' just sounds like a wrong way to describe gays, i think 'sinners' is more appropriate and precise.
