Incorrect reference to hadith! because it conflicts with Quran. See it yourself.

Quran says, a boy (man) should not marry ....
it says, a girl (woman) should not be married to ....


If you can see the difference, then check reference to the hadith.

translation!!

who knows, may be one act of one member may have sealed his heart on oneness of Allah.

Badal, your explanation is very well indeed. Jazak-Allah o khairan.
There are other ahadeeth on this subject, example from Bukhari, "don't label a believer as disbeliever even if you see kufur in his acts unless one manifests his aqeedah otherwise." (rough translation of the reference to prophet's saying).

I agree with the notions of kufr of Aqeedah (belief) and of Amal (deed). Hadeeth nikama related and saying of Abu-Hanifa are examples in reference. Just like Badal presented, hadeeth refers to the kufr of action and not of aqeedah. What imam Abu-Hanifah is relating to is a rule of thumb. It is not an absolute ruling, it is rather a guiding principle.

Reason, why the prophet emphasized so much on this issue, was to keep Muslims from dividing themselves. This denies anyone to issue certificate of belief to anyone and restricts people from debarring others from the fold of Islam. Allah SWT Himself set the criteria for it in the Quran and Prophet SAW explained it in the hadith. So kufr of Aqeedah which expels one from Iman can only be judged on those articles of faith.

Matter of amr bil maroof wa nahiya anil munkar are a separate topic for discussion though. I disagree with you badal on the issue of forcefulness of correcting people's aqeedah. Allah SWT gave an open choice to people to either believe or disbelieve. Allah SWT mentioned of Prophet as one who gives glad tiding and warner of painful torment and is an agent who invites to Allah.


Topic of: Allah knows who's right or wrong - He knows and He blessed us with Criterian, knowledge and tools to judge that also. "Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed..." (2:213).

The best discourse is the course of middle path - a balanced approach between rejection and extremism. That is between forcefullness and ignoring people in any condition - meaning, do not force your belief and understanding upon others nor accept others way as a possible way of salvation. Instead, share your belief and practice with others and leave room for others to make a choice. Because none can enter no-ones heart by force. To judge authenticity of the message reaches you, check it against Quran and sunnah; and recheck it before you take it to people because it is a trust and you will be held accountable for it.

Supreme court rejected his plea and upheld HC and anti-terror court decisions.

I'm sorry Mr. Jinnah, I must've missed in reading Quran where Pakistan was mentioned as sacred. I however read the life and blood of Muslim as sacred, I found solidarity with non-muslims against muslims as sin, and I found Al-Quds as sacred and blessed.

How twisted is Musharraf's ideas - you will now find US govt endorsing his plans of westernizing pakistan.

you wld be immediately labelled as backward, orthodox, and uneducated.

Iqbal was not even Pakistani.
and how did mushi made the list?

do what romans do

heard kings without crowns but not without throne

...bcuz there are people who are more important than my self.

than you shud be really quiet

don't need to see now.
just do it...

I don't worry about people who are less important than myself to me.

un han!!!

like that!!

Just follow the steps

I'll show you

ok

Mushis problem is he can't stay in civilian clothes for very long. They have to starp him military outfit to keep him descent

name sounds familiar

Quiet! very very Quiet here!!!!



























is it really!















or am I going deaf

O'yeah!!

What's wrong with us
We should rather be happy for someone who accepted the vastness of Islam and chose the path of eternal salvation. have we lost the pride in our religion and have forgotten the primary job of taking the truth to people? Youhana didn't convert to Islam by force. If any form of Islam has influence on any institution, it bothers Muslims Is it not mind-boggling that any non-Islamic influence on any institution doesn't bother us?

TT, I have been following the story in papers. The girl gave a statement in the court of her own will and accord and her consent to accept islam and marrying a muslim. There was no gun pointed or threats posed to her. there are possibilities of ignorant people pressuring her of dire consequences of any retractions.

Remember, forceful conversions to Christianity in sub-continent, Asia, and Africa. Where christianity was spread, taking advantage of human sufferings. When bibles and crosses were given before food.

May Allah open our eyes and our hearts to see and feel the sweetness of eman. Ameen

unn han!!!!!

Islamophobia is the fear and hatred towards Islam. This has been a leading cause of Westerners rejecting Islam and Muslims and willing to take extreme actions against it. This is largely because media over decades painted an ugly picture of Islam and Muslims. Muslims in the west and muslim countries did nothing to stop it then. You and I have to do their and our jobs to fix it.

Quest waswhat Musharaf said about Mukhtara and such issues in US.

Mind you guys and gals, my blood boiled and I have never been this furious in my life when I read in the paper of a rape of a 4 yers old in khi. Docs had to remove her uterus, she had broken limbs and is unconcious. Person responsible for it was her own brother-in-law. Remember the 9 year old girl who was raped and then brutally murdered in Pak.
Does it not tell this general and his aides of morality breakdown in the society. He can't gauge or sense degeneration and loss of values in Pak.

Musharraf has a twisted mind where everything has to fit his logic. For him, for economic well being of the country, he would do any thing. Be it decay of moral, values, religion or even social disintegration, as long as it serves the purpose, its all worth the price.

Chandramuki, I partly agree with your view and disagree with part of it. War in Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism. US and UK went there on the pretext of WMD. Iraq didn't attack or was a threat to US or UK. They attacked iraq. Both democracies, where majority counts, brought back B&B back to power. People voted and agreed with B&B's wars.
Speaking of Media and air-time, Just think it over. how much air-time was used to incite hatred against Muslims, from movies, documentaries, talk shows... and don't forget western media's quest for capturing TV and media markets in the east as well -- Think it over.
Justice without bias: I believe and agree in it but let me ask you: in treatment of palestinians, you brought up Pakistani bias b/c in ur opinion, they sided with India so Pakis should not support a thing which is right only for that bias

So in a sum, just because we don't have large arsenals of weapons and because it is to the dismay of "West" that we stand up to them in ways that fit our circumstances, we must give everything to them and let them decide our fates!
You are mistaken if you think these wars are for right or wrong. These are wars of power shows and to strike "terror" of west in the hearts of anyone imagining standing upto them. These are wars to usurp world resources to serve world minorities by any means deemed fit for the cause.
oh! btw, watch your foot

treatment Doc!
what else