those are money making machines for caretakers. Haven't ya noticed.      

wow, Beautiful, Blessed, and Holy Names of Allah are followed by the picture of poorly dressed girl. Very respectful.

sarmad said:

I was a Suni Muslim by birth. Due to extensive false propoganda of Molivs, like ordinary Muslims, I was also of the opinion that Ahmadis are Non-Muslim. By chance An Ahmadi Muslim became my friend and for the first time I had a chance to have a close look on the Ahmadiyya community. I was astonished to see that what these Molvis & their followers use to tell us about this community is 99.99% FALSE. By having a close look at Ahmadis, I realized that they are much better Muslims than other sects. They offer five times prayers, Fast in the month of Ramdhan and read and know Holy Quran much much in-depth than Mulvis. In addition to that I found them generally much honest and decent as well. So I started un-prejudice investigation and soon realized that they are the ONE Jamat about which the Holy Prophet of Islam (SAW) told us that when there will be 73 sects only ONE will be on the right path while other 72 will be on wrong path. (Here it must be noted that on the one hand Molvis of each sect call other sect as Kafir. And on other hand when question of Ahmadis is raised then they all become on one side and isolate Ahmdis on other side. Thus making themselves 72 vs ONE situation as described in the Hadith)

For only those who are not Moliv by nature and wish to understand Ahmadiyya view point as well and also want to compare Ahmadiyya & Non-Ahmadi understanding of Islam, I recommend to visit and watch yourself interesting, very informative and though provoking audio and video clips at following links.

Amazing Facts !!!! Watch Yoursef !!!! And then decide !!!

Just download the audio and video clips (from the links below) and witness yourselves the Falsehood, Ignorance and dual personalities of The Molvi Sahibans.

In just one stroke of pen we should forget about all other facts and evidence and only take what Ahmedis should bring to us.

There are 1400 years between Prophet Mohammed SAW and the begining of Ahmediya religion. Can you recall how many imposters and false messengers claimed rights to prophecy? While prophet Mohammed SAW was still alive there were people making those claims. Many Muslims who believed in the time of the prophet and some of them were companions of the Prophet, joined the apostates and false prophets. History recorded their fate and Islam remained free and above those liers and will be for ever.

Learn little more of your newly found faith of its origin, timing and who supported it and why? and don't forget to take your ahmedi shades off when you do that!

Shahenshah said:

Smooth_daddy said:

Shahenshah said:

and how excatally is jesus gonna show up?

so you have now changed your point of view to that Jesus AS is not dead and will return?

He will descend from the heaven upon a mosque in Iraq - known from the descriptions in the traditions of the Prophet SAW.

nope i still think every human have to die and so did Jesus too (PBUH)

secondly...how excatally will he come? like come flying or what?

secondly...where excatally it says in hadith or quran k he will come EXCATALLY in what way?

that's quite arrogant of you especially when WOL presented the evidence.

Now why is it so important for you (anybody) to know how Jesus will arrive? Would that change your belief?

I do not know of a description of the mode of descendence for Jesus AS's return.

Shahenshah said:

n how bout this



"When Allah said, O Jesus, I will cause thee to die...and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection." (3:56)

to Holy Prophet (PBUH), God says in Quran:

"We granted not abiding life to any human being before thee. If then thou shouldst die, shall they have abiding life?" (21:35)

Thanks WOL for your detailed answer on the issue.

Hey Baz, Jesus AS will live a normal life of a human after his return and will die like a human too. So where is the contradiction. Allah SWT did not promise an abiding life to Jesus AS.

Allah SWT in Surat Al-Kahaf gives the example of "Sleeprs of the Cave" who m Allah put to sleep for centuries. They woke up wondered around and then went back to sleep. In surat Al-Baqarah Allah mentions of a person and his donkey whom he caused to die for 100 years and the resurrected him thereafter. Donkey was not ressurected to show him how Allah can cause death and life.

The fist Ayat you mentioned is a reassurance for Jesus AS of people who will believe in Him in the true sense and they will be earn status in the sight of Allah.

The second ayat is an admonition to believers that Islam doesn't live only till the life of the prophet. I continues therafter. Those who will leave it after the prophet will follow the foot steps of people before them who left the religion after the demise of the prophets.
Upon death of the Prophet SAW, Abu-Bakr RA reminded the companions that, "those who worshipped Mohammed SAW, know that he has passed away, and those who worship Allah, know that He is alive".

Shahenshah said:

and how excatally is jesus gonna show up?

so you have now changed your point of view to that Jesus AS is not dead and will return?

He will descend from the heaven upon a mosque in Iraq - known from the descriptions in the traditions of the Prophet SAW.

what are you waiting for dolly!

not for you but for it is for her.

Obviously, away from them.

They are only loyal to their masters. Their masters are not their people.

No, I can't believe that bodies of bo**ers charred but their ids, credit cards and paper trail remained intact. Its hard for me to believe that teenagers have close friends of 30 years of age. I find it difficult to swallow that Muslims did it bcuz there's nothing in it for Islam and Muslims.

It is human nature to give from its own for to a beloved. Their is satisfaction in it.

Some people find great satisfaction in giving to loved ones out of love just to see them happy.

Shahenshah said:

shahrukh khan said:

yup coz christian aur jews ke paas imaan nahi hoga...unhon ne ache kaam kiye hoon gey...unhe sirf uska silha milega...

to phir check this hadees out:

hazrae auf bin malik (RA) se rawayat hae:

holy prophet (PBUH) said "yahood ke 71 firkay hoye, un mae se 1 janati hae aur 70 dozakh mae jaen gae aur nisrani ke 72 firkay hoye, un mae se 71 dozkhi hian aur 1 janati, kasam us ke jis me hath mae Muhammad (PBUH) ke jaan hae, meri ummat 73 firkay ho jae ge, un mae se 1 janati hae aur 72 dozakh mae jaen gae


sunnan ibne maja shareef, volume 3
page 271, hadees # 885

so according to this...jews and christians will also be eititled to go into heaven

You bet they will enter the paradise so long as they follwed the religion and the Book of Allah. When Jesus AS was sent to Jews with new book, they rejected it and persisted upon maintaining their religion (which they had altered). Allah abbrogated that religion and sent a new one with Isa AS.
Those who rejected it thereafter became Kafir and will not enter paradise. Those who believed in Isa AS and remained steadfast on true religion of Allah will enter pardise.

When Allah sent Mohammed SAW, Christian and Jews who recieved the message and accepted it are from the ummah of prophet Mohammed SAW. Those who rejected and refused to believe in the religion Prophet Mohammed SAW brought with him, will never enter pardise because they rejected the faith.

Shahenshah said:

Smooth_daddy said:

Now if just you want to believe in what you think is right, you are entitledto do that. The truth is with Allah and we will find that out on the day of judgment. My job only is to advise you of Allah's words and warn you of your treading in dangerous zone.

i'm already way deep in danger zone..no worries

i did my part. Like Allah teaches us in Surat ul Baqarah, "and with us are our deeds and with you are yours and we reamin sincerely committed to Him only".

Shahenshah said:

lemme give u example of holy prophet's grand father and uncle...they were not muslims or believed in one God, yet they have been told as nice people who did good deeds....so who did they seek rewards from?

Serving ego and satisfying that is a reward. People at times hold their principles and their culture and their bravery etc as their standard. And for that they will do anything. Their reward is what they wanted to get.

Shahenshah said:

secondly...do u only do good deeds to get rewards? well, i don;t...i just do what i do...if i do good, i don;t seek no rewards, and if i do bad, i seek a way to either to get outta it or seek forgiveness

Hadith from Bukari, roughly translated as on the day of Judgment a righteous person will be presented in the court of Allah who will say O' Allah I prayed and worshipped you to please you. Allah SWT will say, nay! you did so because you wanted people to say how pious is this person. People thought of you so and you got that reward. You then don't have nay reward from Me. Allah will then order his angels to take him to hell fire.

A scholar will be presented in the court of Allah who will claim that he spread the knowledge of Allah to please him. Allah SWT will say to him, nay, you did so only for people to say and think of you as a great scholar. People thought of you and admired you as a scholar and thus you got that reward. You then don't have nay reward from Me. Allah will then order his angels to take him to hell fire.

A martyr (shaheed) will be presented in the court of Allah. He will claim laying his life to uphold the religion of Allah and seek His pleaseure. Allah SWT will say to him, nay, you did so only for people to say and think of you as a brave person and to amire your chivalry. People thought of you so and and admired your barvry, an thus you got that reward. You don't have any reward from Me. Allah will then order his angels to take him to hell fire.

All of the above persons were believers in worldly sense and did good works. Their good works were for purposes other than Allah's pleasure and only seeking rewrd from him (because no one else can reward better than Him).
I said it before, you have the freedom to do whatever you want and with whatever intention you want. I only warn you and show you the path that Prophet of Allah showed us.

Shahenshah said:

Smooth_daddy said:

Your argument makes no sense that if someone did good but did not believe in Allah alone. Who then he/she did the good work for - who were they seeking reward for doing such deeds!

lemme give u example of holy prophet's grand father and uncle...they were not muslims or believed in one God, yet they have been told as nice people who did good deeds....so who did they seek rewards from?

secondly...do u only do good deeds to get rewards? well, i don;t...i just do what i do...if i do good, i don;t seek no rewards, and if i do bad, i seek a way to either to get outta it or seek forgiveness

Of course they did good deeds but they are not from the people of paradise. Prophert SA begged his uncle to accept Islam and whisper the shahadah into his ears but he refused and died without believing in Allah's unity.

Bed time (12+12)
nite nite

Sollog the great prohet of who!
Satan

714 is over and so are his lies.

your call bud.
cheers

Balich guy, it meems like you are a very sensitive person. Sometimes people don't intend to cause hurt but we take it as such and then react emotionally.

My advice to you would be to be little more careful. Don't trust blindly. Test people of their sincerity. Keep little space in relationships and take it little easy.
smile

Lets find another one.

Bazi - keep smiling

they are enjoying only benefit they are allowed by the corportaions. Of course they have to keep govts for they are their own people. Remembers governments are just servants. We remove them, others just like them will be installed again.

miss ya!

Of course no one can question Allah for what He does. He is certainly all powerful - (...and He forgives whoever He wishes and punishes whoever He wills. Indeed He has power and authority over everything - Baqarah). That is His endless authority. He then sets criterion out of His Divine Mercy of who will recieve His reward and who will recieve His punishment. It is in the Quran that Allah will not forgive shirk unless one repents and returns to believing in the Unity of Allah. This is the rule and criteria by which He will judge on the day of Judgment. He says again in the Quran that He is Just and there will be "no opression Today" (La Zulmal Youm).

Your argument makes no sense that if someone did good but did not believe in Allah alone. Who then he/she did the good work for - who were they seeking reward for doing such deeds! Why would Allah grant them forgiveness for they they did not seek His mercy and forgiveness. They were seeking pleasure and reward from other gods.

Allah likes good works and rewards those works as He is Just. Those who seek Allah's pleasure only in their good works. Allah rewards them with His pleasure and bounties in this life and on that Day. Those who do good deeds for pleasures of others than Allah (including self satisfaction), Allah will reward them in this life but they will not have any share in the Akhirah.

Now if just you want to believe in what you think is right, you are entitledto do that. The truth is with Allah and we will find that out on the day of judgment. My job only is to advise you of Allah's words and warn you of your treading in dangerous zone.

wherez JBz Kido!

Bro its a small percentage of global population that consumes largest portions of OIL. Their desires to get richer and their means to get richer are driving Oil prices up. World's richest nations can sustain these high prices but poor ones will be crippled by it. Manufacturers and even agriculturists in poor countries will be driven outa business if this madness continues. Poor nations will become beggers and dependents on rich nations.

Do you really thinks governments have control on it! Its the game of oil cartels and corporations who have joined (installed) governments who will serve their interests.

Bazigaar said:

yup...we sacrifice animal of eid-ul-adha in memory of hazrat ibrahim (PBUH) and hazrat ismail (PBUH)

I only do it in obedience to Allah. Ofcourse it is a sunnah of Prophet Ibrahim just as Prophet SAW said: "Its a sunnah of your father Ibrahim."

SALL said:

reason ko choro

dono lips khenccchhhhhh k kaano tak le k jao
aur stapple kar do
simple

Bazigaar said:

I rest my case

Bazigaar said:

always smilin

You think you are.