shahrukh khan said:

smooth welcome to jb

Thanks SRK!

LiL_DollY said:

He's been at jb for 2 years now

actually twice that long.

I've no idea what your talking about

Yea!

what makes you say that

gone!

Count your blessings and you will laugh on what you don't have

you are alive today...is not good enough to keep us smiling

We are tangled up in petty issues and gossips and left important things unattended. I agree wid ya dolly that we get nothing from talking behind others.

One White Muslim guy made the statement in public: "Muslims are racists". An African Muslim guy asked us once, would a Pakistani father (family) marry their daughter to a black African even if he's the most righteous and best person there could be? Are you kidding me! Punjabi will not marry with Sindhi and Sindhi will avoid Mohajirs and ... what chance a black African stands? Who cares about piety and goodness!

Happiness is not the only issue. Pride, honor, ego, wealth, life style, customs and traditions and the list goes on with how to please everybody and then comes happiness of the couple while goodness, piety, and righteousness are extras.

Today, people are just falling for love before marriage. This is racially blind but also religiously blind. Excessives in either ways are harmful.

There has never been a greater need for reversing the above sequence than ever in past couple of centuries to say the least.

...and sometimes even beyond. I don't see anything wrong wid't. Why not if we want our kids to be better people than ourselves, or that we help them avoid mistakes we made in the life. Newer generations will learn and move forward in other fields of knowledge beyond where we left off. So why not in life?

Its not going anywhere!

That someone is then not close to you!
But if you care alot about her, then tell her how you feel about her attitude and how it hurts. Good friends correct errors of their friends. You don't have to be aggressive but you must be assertive and polite with her.

She seeks attention and she gets it stepping over others. Well, if she loves attention more than her friends then let her choose one unless she can strike a balance.

She won't like be ignored at all and that's your next step to let her taste her own medicine.

SohniKuddi said:

LOLZZ WHERE DID THEY GET THAT IDEA

SO GO ON DOLLY WHAT WERE U GONA SAY?

I may have said something that did not conform wid what they were doing - challenged status quo!!

SohniKuddi said:

...WE HAVE THE SAME PROB HERE, MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILY LOOK DOWN ON PPL WHO GET ARE IF INFERIOR CAST, AND IF NE1 MARRIES INTO A LOWER CAST GOSSIP STARTS FLYING AROUND AND THAT PERSON IS ALSO SEEN AS INFERIOR, WE DON'T HAVE THE FREEDOM OF CHOSING WHO WE WANA MARRY COS OF CAST. I'VE DISCUSSED THIS A LOT WITH PPL WHO BELIEVE AND SUPPORT THE CAST SYSTEM BUT THEY SEEM TO BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT AND THAT IT'S DESTINY LOLZ.

YES IT IS HARAM, I MEAN WE SHOULD BELIEVE IN EQUALITY, WE ARE DIVIDED AS MUSLIMS INTO SCHISMS AND ALSO US PAKISTANIS ARE FURTHER DIVIDED INTO CASTS, SO WHERES THE EQUALITY?

ERRM ABOUT THE GENERATION THING, DO WE HAVE THE GUTS? I MEAN IS THAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT PPLS WORDS? I KNOW WE MUST DO THE RIGHT THING BUT WON'T THE BELIEFS OF OUR PARENTS AND FAMILIES BE REFLECTED ON THIS GENERATION ALSO, I EXPLAINED IN AN EARLIER POST ABOUT THIS AND IT SEEMS THAT SOME PPL OF OUR GENERATION STILL DO BELIEVE THIS.

Those who believe in such divisions and breakdowns hold their customs and traditions above divine injunctions. Almighty did not create some men superior to others except those who exceled in worship and obedience to His Supreme Majesty. "O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes that you may know one another." not that one is superior to the other. Those who look down upon other humans do not understand the wisdom of God: "O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former. "

Then how did some people think they are better than others and their cast is superior to others? its mere arrogance of one group thrusting their authority upon others and ignorance of the other people who accept former as superior.

somebody thought in another forum that I was dumb and didn't even have 4th grade education.

Thanx for your compliments

Word "jhatka" is a Urdu terminology and it is not an Islamic term. It means the process of killing an animal with a stroke of a weapon that cuts the neck off the animal. This is a practice in most western societies. Mind that "jhatka" is a zabiha of Ahlul kitab. It is not haram because Allah made it permissible for us to consume from the food of Ahlul Kitab.

Zabiha is required for slaughtering an animal. I agree with badal on this issue that if it is known that Ahlul kitab did not kill the animal according to their practice of slaughtering and instead opted for strangulating it, it is not permissible for us to eat that meat.
For a believer (Muslim) it is a must to make zabiha on an animal.

Sall etal, I am not promoting or asking anyone to substitute consumption of meat processed in an Islamic way with "jhatka". It is just to answer that it is "PERMISSIBLE" to consume the food of AhlulKitab.

Remember that Allah has choosen pure things for a believer out of His Mercy and it is better for us. I will recommend doing our utmost best and again "utmost best" to acquire and consume food processed in pure Islamic ways. But if you don't have it availble food of Ahlul kitab is the other alternative so long as it is "HALAL".

Mind you, not mentioning name of Allah before eating or drinking any thing, no matter how pure, Islamic and halal, becomes food of the devil.

Allah knows the best and i seek forgiveness from Him for anything I said wrong and thank Him for making me say right things which are right. THESE ARE MERELY MY UNDERSTANDINGs AND IN NO WAYS CONSTITUE ANY RULINGS. PLEASE TAKE THE WORD OF QURAN OVER MY WORD OR OF ANYBODY ELSE. IT IS THE WORD OF ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER THAT OVERULES ALL OTHER OPINIONS. I WOULD EARNESTLY URGE YOU ASK MORE LEARNED SCHOLARS AND TAKE THEIR RULING OVER MY HUMBLE WORD.

really serious discussion

I wanna raise my children as American Muslims without any flavors of paki or saudi or malay traditions. I want them to learn their religion in its origional form and in its original language.

What is paki culture - a mix of hindu and western traditions! Who's more confused than desis themselves. They (only mean those who do it)wana live and look like westerners and carry on with paki traditions - double jeoperdy! They pray and worship only in rituals.

its all about show-off!

There's nothing like someone in the family can stand wid ya dolly!
I wld take a step further - knowledge and practice of the deen (in a balanced way)

I am a parent - ofcourse not of an adult

For God's sake, don't attribute to Allah you don't have any knowledge about. We only know about Allah what he revealed to us. Allh describes himself in the Quran as, "Allahu nurus samawat-e-wal Ard" -- he is the nur of the heavens and the earth.

When Prophet SAW was inquired about what is Allah ...?
His response was there is nothing, absolutely nothing like Him. No one can percieve him.

No one can see or experience all blessings and powers of Allah. Human only can experience what is being bestowed upon them but they can never be a fish which lives in the bed of the ocean and recieve bounties that they recieve.

So let us leave it as it is.

Sorry Badal, I disagree on the term zabiha being Islamic. It has an Islamic connotation to it but it is a word from Arabic languge. Root of the word is "Zibh". Derivaties of which have been used in several contexts in Quran. Example: In the story of Ibrahim AS, when he approaches Ismail AS and mentions to him his dream, he says: "...in-ni azbahu-ka'..." ...I am slaughtering you... it didn't mean I am slaughtering you in "Islamic way". This is where it is used in a rhetorical style as opposed to literary context. BTW, words halal and haram are actually purely Islamic terms. Allah says: " Wa a hal-lal lahul bai'a wa har-ramar riba..." And Allah made trading (business) halal and interest as haram. you got the point.

For the reasons Allah made the food of Ahlul kitab halal for us is because the basis of their belief system is monothieism. Because of this belief, their liklehood of slaughtering animals in the name of false gods or deity is almost (not quite)as remote as it is for Mulsims. Their methods of killing animals are based on guidence provided in the books of Allah (though amalgamated yet bear some truth).

Last but surly not the least, It is only Allah who legislates what is halal and what is haram. Allah permitted the food of Ahlul Kitab for Muslims and Muslims food for them (with some restrictions). No one can take that away in the name of any interpretations.

Badal said:

Smooth_daddy said:

Allah SWT allowed us the food of the people of the book. It definitly has to be "Tayyab" that is clean and pure and have no trace of haram added to it. It does not mean it has to be zabiha. As DL et al mentioned earlier, when any animal or even other items of consumption are given in the name of one other than Allah are neither halal nor Tayyab.

I disagree. What it means to be Zabiha? Zabiha means the (meat of) animals slaughtered according to our relegious rites. And also, one of them is pronouncing the name of Allah (not that, not pronouncing the name of other than Allah).

"For every nation We have specified a rite (for slaughtering) so that they may pronounce the name of Allah Ta'ala upon (the slaughter of) the animals granted to them as sustenance." (Al-Hajj 22:34)

No disagreement on that. I used "Zabiha" as a rhetorical expression and not as a technical term.
Secondly, pronouncing name of Allah is required for when we are slaughtering animals. How many of us have visited slaughter houses in pak or other muslim countries to varify slaughterer were pronouncing name of Allah on all animals. We are not even sure animals they slaughter were not wounded or preyed upon or sick... It is only by trust of a muslim on a muslim that we don't question zabiha of a believing person. Same condition applies to Ahlul kitab so long as the animal is permissible to us. This is out of mercy of Allah. Allah SWT guided us in Quran, ..."You will find Christians closest to you in faith...Polythiests and Jews as worst enemies..."

are serious about it?

Dreams, ambition, lust, intolernce...
want more!

OK! now I understand what you meant by it. Thanks

Values -- what's more important, knowing them or upholding them.

Oh!!!!!
later! I have to think of a way to explain it.

I am out of it 'cuz its like Greek and Latin to me

You bet!
Allah is not an imposter who reveals His state differently every day!

SohniKuddi said:

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE OPPOSITIONS IF WE TRIED TO MAKE ANY MOVE TOWARDS "DEMOLISHING" THE IDEA OF CASTS. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN MARRY INTO A DIFFERENT CAST WITHOUT HAVING FREINDS AND RELATIVES MAKING STORIES OR FINDING WAYS TO DEGRADE YOU....IT'S LIKE TABOO OF THE PAKISTANI VIEW.   

That's so true but there are other ways to start the process of change.

Support someone who married outside the cast or norms of family (Muslim only). Advocate for try to get support within family for ones who were casted out etc.