heart__hacker said:

tell me ur muslim haan what type of muslim u dont kno that (PBUH) START tableegh .adam (as)nain to insan ko janam deay,tableegh (PBUH) NAIN START KI TAHTS ALL.,

What do you think all prophets of Allah did if they did not preach?

about what?

Aasera said:

sis friends ko wish karna kaisay haram ho gaya?

and what is it that you are wishing friends?
and who are those friends? I don't mean you as you it rather general.

Aasera said:

Shadiyon par MAHDNI MAIYON DAnce etc yah sab bi to hinduana rasmain hain...in par koi topic kion nahin banta??? shadiyan to sara saal hoti rahti hain.. lol

+ agar na-mahram ko valentine wish karna "ghalat" hay to kia waisay hi main FRIENDS ( chalain isi forum ko lay lain) yahan sab HUGS send kartay hain... "i love you" boltay hain etc... tab to yah bi usi line main ata hay na..or not? us tarha to PM main na-mahram say bat karna bi haram hay...msn par bi... kahin bi TANHAI main bat karna etc

agreed just because everybody is doing a haram, it doesn't become halal.

Aasera said:

islam main GIFTS dainay ko bola gaya hay...kay is say "PYAR BARHTA HAY"
so agar ham "fazol" things par APNAY liyay paisay kharch kar saktay hain to saal main aik din kisi ko gift day diya to mujhe to koi burai nahin nazar ati is main.

Main to manati hon...and manati rahongi... i love to give gifts , flowerz and cards 2 my dear sisterz.. and kuch nahin to WISH zaror karongi.

Now who said you can't give gifts and well wishes to your sisters? and then mhy valentine's day? The spirit of valentine is not about that kind of affection.

Aasera said:

" Bat sirf itni hay kay KOI bi din ho, HAD main rah kar manao to koi burai nahin,

disagree
I respect everybody's days of celebration but don't want to follow anybody's days or celebrations. There is no question of limits or out-of-limits there. The reason we have our own festivities and etiquettes of celebrating those are to give us our own identity.

Aasera said:

but agar EID ko bi GHALAT tarikay say manao gey to is say EID HARAM nahin ho jaey gi,.. GHALTI AAP KI HOGI."

agreed

Aasera said:

( uff mujhe neend a rahi hay )

you sound so much like Saal, I mean Aeysha

my question is, what are our roots, our identity, our heritage, our customs, I do not mean paki, I mean Muslim

ok, so where do you go from here? some others may say its right ... and right is right!!

where would this end up, I bet you, nowhere! ...and hardheaded idiots will keep harping: "right is right and wrong is wrong" without any benefit to anyone.

may Allah replace our ignorance with wisdom and sensibility, Ameen

~Fragi~ said:

love ko express karna bura nahi

kisi khas din per bhi express karna bura nahi

Ijtimai taur per express karna b bura nahi

aur khas ker gifts dena b hargiz bura nahi

tu valentines day manana b bura nahi


haan per cheap harkatien karna,stupid kaam karna , kissi ko tung karna hargiz theek nahi

your right fragi, expressing your love to your spouse is not wrong. But it is wrong for people to show it to non-mehrams, if we are believers in its fullest sense.

Observence of this day encourages illicit relations and promotes indecency. Above all, it is part of christian renaissance - tracing roots to roman christian origin.

Doctor Sam said:

WHAT WE CAN DO

hold your ground, resist temptations.

Doctor Sam said:

sd bhai,

what sort of commercialism in celebrating valentines day..

all sorts of commercialism.
Don't people buy candies and chocolates on this ocassion and you might notice their prices shoot up.

Bakery products, flowers, cards, stuffed bears .... sell like anything. your right!! profiteers fill their coffers.

Doctor Sam said:

Smooth_daddy said:

Doctor Sam said:

... because it seems so attractive. It is like a chocolate quoted poison pill.
...and the generation before them is so blinded by the glare of its outlook. Oblivious of a blackhole behind it, they are throwing themselves in it at full speed. their kids follow their footsteps.

Nations that loose their true identity, loose their self-respect, dignity, freedom and themselves. In hunt for a new identity they become captivies of alien isms so they may be identified by that. Irony of it is, they will remain second class and their children will be enslaved - not necessarily in physical sense.

who is responsible....

i dont blame media... Its our elders, i think...

what do u think, sd bhai

exactly!!
read my line
...and the generation before them is so blinded by the glare of its outlook. Oblivious of a blackhole behind it, they are throwing themselves in it at full speed. their kids follow their footsteps.

Ashii said:

same in india and pak
waise bhi we love to follow wotever sounds "filmi"

Yeah because, we think that's where fun, honor and recognition is. we are like tumbling weeds that are kicked around in direction of the wind. even when its not blowing hard - it won't hold a ground. It can't stand upto the weakest of gusts of wind.

I fear of our future generations treading the path of complete ignorance. We are not passing to them a fully lit lamp. Rather, we are pushing ourselves and them into the darkness of ignorance.

Ashii said:

yarr even in europe (western society) not much ppl know abt the roots of this event
all I know is,, its nothing but another way to make ppl spend money
pure eco/commercial day,, there isnt anything sentimental here

Commercialism: That is always the driving force in all deviations. This is nothing new. Another old tradition is to think commercialized customs are benign and harmless.

Only one example I will present for those who will understand.

Quresh of makkah opposed Islam right at its birth. Islam meant end of their commercialized pagan practices. Manufacturing and trading of idols will not exist anymore, pilgrims will not be required to purchase their pilgrimage clothings from quresh at a premium and on and on...in short, end of monopoly on trade, commerce, and wealth accumulation in few hands and end of slavry...leading to justice, equal treatment, freedom, opportunity for all to prosper and be protected...

Doctor Sam said:

Ashii said:

vv true
i ve heard night parties s been arranged for valentines
where only young couples are allowed
i dont think if many married couples attend these "social events"
well,, atleast not with their spouse hehee


same with basant
alcohol, drugs, and mujre,, how many ppl bring their wives and sisters to these special basant evenings ??
hmmmm,,, hamra bhi dil kar raha hai jaane ka ab to

its a real tragedy....
young generation is misdirected

... because it seems so attractive. It is like a chocolate quoted poison pill.
...and the generation before them is so blinded by the glare of its outlook. Oblivious of a blackhole behind it, they are throwing themselves in it at full speed. their kids follow their footsteps.

Nations that loose their true identity, loose their self-respect, dignity, freedom and themselves. In hunt for a new identity they become captivies of alien isms so they may be identified by that. Irony of it is, they will remain second class and their children will be enslaved - not necessarily in physical sense.

shahrukh khan said:

which city?

West of rock 'n' roll capital, Nashville

Ashii said:

greater gainnnnnnnnnnnn ????????????????
helllll
they should pay me atleast 25% more than my actual salary

you know what, you are not the only one

I feel the same way but your employer thinks you are an underworked and overpaid worker

shahrukh khan said:

sd r u in chicago?

heck No!!! I would be very grumpy then.

I am farther south but boy this year has been very cold by our standards

srk, declaring a thing right or wrong can rub other people in a wrong way. Because it alienates one section of ummah from the other. Again, I would say, we respect the choices people make but we don't make judgment on it. This is simply because such declarations cause more division among muslims. We may disagree on issues but must refrain from criticising on sensitive issues. Restraints from conflicts, especially that do not pertain to our religious fundamentals, can bring us closer to each other.

I only want to stress on two points, one, Muslims are generally invloved in many serious social ills that constitute major sins. we better focus on correcting those. Two, the enemy of Islam and Muslims wants to see neither of its factions prosper. So, let us put our differences behind us. We have to survive first.

Ok, here comes the next storm.

More snow and rain mix. It will be bitterly cold for most part of this week.

I am ready for spring

ok, it is neither part of aqidah nor it is tradition, then what is it?
Don't take me wrong, I understand your regard for the family of Allah's messenger. I respect everybody's view point but I would really like to know how you place Ma'tam in the composite picture of Islam.

shahrukh khan said:

tomorrow evening snow storm expected here

yea, we're expecting some freezing drizzle tonight.

Ashii said:

same here
i enjoy working here but its so tiring

small price for greater gains

at work

ur most welcome

act of emotion can not be catecorized as "aqidat"!

Aqidat is a set of believes that a believers contracts with Allah to remain in the fold of Islam as outlined in the Quran. Leaving or altering any of it throws one out of the fold of Islam. Thus self-beating is not part of the aqidah, neither found in Quran nor in traditions of the prophet. it is rather a later day tradition and expression of emotions. Right or wrong! you will find arguments on both sides.

with all due respects, I feel obligated to give my two cents on this very fundamental issue.

respecting righteous predecessors is from the etiquettes of Islamic morals. Asking Allah thru a saint is not from the practice of Prophets or Ashabir Rasool. We will not find any incident in the life of the prophet or that of his companions of asking Allah through a saint. Prophet SAW taught his companions etiquettes of supplication and asking of Allah, but never advised them to ask Allah through him (the best of humanity and creation). There is no proof that it pleases Allah to ask him through an intercessor. Conversely, it may displease Allah.

Allah swt says in the Quran, "When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the call of every suppliant when he calls on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way." (2:186)

Allah swt needs not a middle person for a supplication to reach Him. He is As-Sami (listens to all at once).

Allah is subhan and is free of any weakness. He knows the merits of a dua as he knows what is in the heart of a suppliant. None other can know the condition of the heart except Allah.

Next, Allah SWT is fair and just. It would be of blemish upon the most fair judge to take pleas on recommendations instead of strict merit - which is a sign of weakness.

Lastly, Anyone who passes away, doors of dua and repentance close on him/her. Such person is in no position to ask for him/herself, how can he/she ask for someone else? They don't see or hear anything of this life. They only receive gifts of good dua that people make for them or a curse that people send upon them. A person who is dependent on the dua of others, can he/she make dua for anyone else?

remember, that Allah SWT heard the repentance of Yunus AS from the stomach of a whale from the depths of the ocean. He did not ask Allah through the names of other great prophets of Allah. Such stories in the Quran are to strengthen our faith in Allah.

yeah, when you have to work outdoors.

yeah but we are worker bees

what, just the thought of cold froze you all

come on, warm bodies, respond!!

shahrukh khan said:

hmmmm must be few ppl at work right?

its a full house

It's -2C right now and will dip down to -10 tonight
Tomorrow's low would be -13C. We will not see above-freezing temps at least for next 7 days.

shahrukh khan said:

new_beau said:

-16....

Thand Lagdi...Mainnoo Thand Lagdi

Its 07 in Lahore and 17 In Dubai

Central US kay bashindo....Kaisay kertay ho Sardi ka Muqabla..CAR start kaisay kertay ho logooooooooooo

aur toronto main -8...yahan tu aaj 10 hai

is it 10C or 10F